2012 -- Bent Kickstand Bolt AGAIN
 

Seriously.... Am I the only one who hates the kickstand design on my bike???

I so want to take a torch and just cut and rip the SON OF A B$%^ off

Sure a lot of you say just get rid of it. Maybe I will. It really does not work for me. But there are so many times it comes in handy too.

I keep looking at all the other bikes kickstand designs. Like the promoto one for KX450 that is integrated into the foot peg mounts (thanks Desertgasser for that one). And the KTM ones are nice too.

I know this had been discussed a lot on here. But any others have good ways to keep the damn Grade 8 bolt from bending?

I am so tempted to modify my foot pegs mounts like the KX450. But that require quite a bit of work to the frame and if not done properly then would be a huge mistake....

The black bolt is a grade 10 bolt. Lasted 2 rides.

The silver one is a grade 8 bolt. Lasted 2 times in garage... Obviously I used the wrong bolt.

What length is in your bike for this bolt ?

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I went through four bolts before finally just ditched the kickstand. And I HATE not having a kickstand - sometimes a tree or fence post isn't around. And I get tired of the question...hey did your kickstand fall off?

I tried keeping it lubricated, I tried various different bolts, and I tried putting nylon shims in and it still gummed up and bent. I have never had this much trouble with a kickstand ever. I'm not sure if the bolt, itself, is the problem or just the design...crap just seems to get into the bolt hole and seize the thing up.

I wish the frame covered both sides of the top of the kickstand so that the bolt just making contact with the frame and not with the kickstand directly.

My 12' is exactly the same. Tried long, short, and all the way to grade 10... It always bends. Next step is dremeling a void in the stand so the head of the bolt doesnt contact the stand at all. Insted it will bottom against the spacer/bushing thing that runs thru the stand. I dont take credit on that idea, I've read it on this forum somewhere. I can't say goodbye to mine either so its just bolted down tight till I get some time to try that.

Do you blokes let it auto retract?

Mine isn't a 2012 but I never let it slam up by it's self. I always hold my foot on it when it goes up. It retracts so hard I figure it might break something not letting it up easy over time.

I hate that part too. I seriously have a permanent dent in my shin from that...

Lighting up the blow torch now... ;-)

I knew there was a reason why mine never go back on, once removed(by whatever means).

I try my best not to auto retract. and just change the bolt every so often.

I shimmed with a different spacer so the bolt head doesn't contact the stand and that has seemed to work the best out of anything I've tried.

I'm going to try the dremel trick tonight. I really miss my kickstand.

I honestly can't remember if I let it auto retract or not, it has been so long, but I'll assume I did if that seems to be a big source of the problem.

I've got around 35hrs on the 2013 and haven't noticed any issues, but basically I always use my hand and gently let the stand retract as opposed to letting it flick up. I don't use it very often either as I'm more inclined to just sit on the bike when we regroup. Only real time its handy is when I'm moving it around in the shed and can't push the bike and drag the center stand around together. I have all intentions of removing mine at some point.

Mine is always gently escorted with a boot or hand I've never been bit by it, actually like it. No matter what the bolt works out eventually and the next time it's used it bends the bolt. Now since it's bent it works its way out more. Locktite wont help. Retightning wont help if its bent even a hair.. One day it worked well... When i carried a wrench and shot a lazer level and poured concrete for it to sit on.

I suggest you convert it to the 2014 setup. All you need is the new special bolt, and drill the hole in the kickstand to 12 mm, and drill out the 8 mm thread in the frame and make it a 10 mm .

If you do this use a lot of loctite on the bolt otherwise the stand loosens the bolt each time you use it.

Is the 2014 the same as the 2013 in terms of the kick stand?

I'll post pictures later, but I used a longer steel bushing that moved the bolt head off the stand then used a washer to keep the stand from ever rubbing on the bolt head and loosening it. Problem solved so far.

2012 -- Bent Kickstand Bolt AGAIN
 

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Thanks

I wish TrailTech or ProMoto made an aftermarket one.

This one is for a KTM

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Here she is, I just used a larger washer and slightly longer bushing I had laying around. A small piece of steel tubing would work as well. It keeps the stand from loosening the bolt which I think leads to the bolt getting bent.


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If the 2014's use a larger diameter bolt I'd be interested in that, It sure couldn't hurt.

I agree with you Stu, the PMB stand would be the ultimate solution, or maybe just welding a tab to the frame so the stand is double shear over single shear. Poor design in my opinion.

A mate I've mine has the trail tech stand on his KTM. Well it has FAILED as well after only one year. He has now gone to a motion pro fingers crossed for him.
How much different is the 12-13 to the older model? Could move the spring holder to reduce the tension on the spring in the lowered position?

The spacer must be wider then the kickstand to maintain bolt torque. When new I removed a small amount of material from frame side of kickstand at spacer area. No problems for over a year. But don't let the stand sink in the mud and fall over you will snap the bolt. The EE stand foot helps with that.

The older KTM`s had the same issue, thats why Pro Moto Billet kick stands exist. My 05 KTM 525 kick stand lasted 5 rides and the I put the PMB on. Never had another issue. The only problem is that PMB does not make one for a GasGas.

I would like to find a bolt similar to this one...

http://www.trailtech.net/kickstands/...-for-ktm-98-01

McMaster Carr saves the day!

http://www.mcmaster.com/#shoulder-screws/=rxpiuk

If the link doesn't work, search for "shoulder bolt" or Shoulder screw." Filter by Metric, then select your dimension.

the Ktm 950 Adventure uses something very similar to mount the stock skid plate. Could be very close to the right dimensions even. I 'll take measurements tonight and see if they'd fit as I just happen to have a couple kicking around.

Oooo even better....

Thanks - I knew the forum "engineer" would have a great idea. Now I need to figure out exactly want the dimensions of this bolt would be.....

More to come.

Remember, it's always easier to turn a bolt down to fit than try to size it up. If they don't have exactly what you want, get one that is a touch oversized. I am certain that someone will help get it to work. But buy two, just because things happen. Heck, it's McMaster, they only sell in bulk (mostly). Buy 10, then sell the rest for 10% more than you paid and then your investment is covered.

Hint: I own a lathe.

first two times mine came loose I loctited th bolt in a just slightly loose position to allow th stand to operate freely.both times loose after a ride or two.last time I actually nipped it up so th bolt was a little tight slightly pinching th stand and loctited th crap out of it.it hasn't come loose for 20 or so rides now.stand drags when operated but on th plus side it doesn't self retract into ur shin.the design problem is th bolt lacks support on th frontside so rocks in th thread,working loose,allowing stand to slide outwards on bolt thread.even a mm gap at back of stand increases th leverage on th bolt eventually bending it(like bending steel rod in a vise its hard to bend right at vise,but easier further out).my thinking was that th bolt has to be tight all th time to prevent th rocking.so far its working, albeit with quite a stiff stand action(maybe it will wear loose and leav th bolt tight?yeah right).th only proper fix is an outer flange welded to frame(aargh!yikes!)that supports th bolt head and allowing th bolt to be held true and properly tight while th stand is free to move.th stand head is also too small and sinks at th hint of soft ground.small metal lid off pasta sauce about 2in rnd under foot is handy conversation starter.fits in ur pocket.mind th self retract tho,or it will flick it 20yds behind u past ur m8's face.

I agree with bergerhag. The 14' kickstand bolt looks like it should mount right up. It looks like you should be able to just drill and tap the threads to 10mm and use the 14' pivot bolt. I am going to order some up, I'll let you guys know how it goes. I would deffinately recommend red locktiting the threads on the pivot bolt.

Let us know! I can confirm that using a small headed bolt or taking material off the stand so that the bolt contacts the bushing only, works. Been riding all summer like this and with loctite it has yet to work loose. Since it's not coming loose there is pressure on the bolt so it hasn't bent yet either. This is the 3rd bolt in 6 months so Its going strong!

I just removed my kickstand last week. I have lost count now. Think that was bolt # 6 I have gone through. I don't get it. I had my CRF250X for nearly 5 years. Used and abused that kickstand. Never and I mean never had to touch that thing once....!?!?!?!?!

we feel ur pain.fortunately I lov everything else about my bike enuf to almost forgive the sob with th warped sens of humour that came up with that one!perhaps we could hang him from a tree and pelt him with all our bent kickstand bolts,i know id feel better!

New to Gasgas. Is this a 12 and newer thing or do I have an issue with my 11?

No issue with 2011 kickstands, different design. However, the 2011 issue is the frame tab behind the bracket (that also supports the chain roller) is known to break off. Keep everything snugged up, preferably with loctite, and you shouldn't have a problem.

My 2010 kickstand is still fine, but most likely only because i heeded all the warnings and have not let it retract aoutmatically, I always guide it back up with my foot.

PS after 4 years it finally got me, i was putting the stand down with my hand and quicker than an angry mamba it got me on the knuckle, have not managed to get my wedding band on it for the past 3 days!

If the stand is so pain in the ass, why not just make a new one. Buy a generic/universal one, and make a fastener?

I can see the pain, buying a new bike, and shit is falling apart. But hey, it IS spanish.

So what ever happened to the shoulder bolt idea. 2012 and always have issues worst design ever for a kickstand.

Mark has my 14' kickstand bolts I just need to have him send them to me. My fault because I haven't called him back with an order to add them to. I'll try to get that done by tomorrow. I have a 13' waiting here for the up-grade. I will post on here as soon as I get it done. Hopefully have some info by early next week.

Fingers crossed, mine is holding for now. I feel I'm on borrowed time though!

How about welding a thicker post on made out of Chromemoly?

So instead of bolting the kickstand on you slide it onto the post, thread the other end and put a washer and lock nut. I could not envision it breaking a piece of chromemoly. Worst case it bends a little but at least you would not have a total failure of the bolt breaking. Mine typically has broken in the garage and I have been lucky not to get hurt, this was the first time it broke on the trail.

No letting the kickstand come up on it's own...who would do that anyways!!! No soft dirt I always find a rock or stick...never had a sinking kick stand issue.

I'll tell you what if i ever get injured due to the poor design of the kickstand maybe a lawsuit will get GasGas to put a REAL one on their bikes. Totally uncalled for, a racer can remove it if they are worried about weight...a trail rider NEEDS it, and a PLATED rider really needs it. I otherwise LOVE the bike. I'm surprised due to the bike being legit on EU roads a reliable way to keep the bike up is not a must by the EU.

I'll pay an aftermarket company $150 to give me a reliable kickstand versus this joke.