I used it at 40:1. Every bit as good as Golden Sectro Semi-syn but was half the price.
A couple of years ago the price went up at the two auto parts stores in town, so I switched to the Motul for just a little bit more. I now run the 710 at 50:1. Its super clean burning at trail riding pace.

Thats really interesting to know. Because the lanes i use rarely require me to 'Gun' the old girl, and i merely poodle around too.

Have you had or needed any sort of strip-down since you've been using the 710 to see if the PV is gummed up etc........ ?

Recently read an advertorial by motul and they basically said the 710 is more suited to Enduro/ single track/old man riding. If you are riding flat out high revs the 800 is the one you need

Sign me up !



And seriously: Can i just swap from a sythetic to an Ester based pre-mix oil with no issues ??

And if i swap: Is my bike gonna smell like a proper 2-stroke too with it being Ester based :- ) Used to be a drop of Castrol R40 in the tank when i was a lad.........

I have yet to do a top end since the switch, but I have not had any PV issues. I can tell you that I used to get a little spooge with the Lucas and Golden Spectro. More spooge with Motul 800 (I only ran a few liters through for that reason), and zero spooge since I started using the Motul 710.
FWIW, I have also used Maxima K2 off and on and I get zero spooge with it. It has a similar low flash point like the Motul 710. I may go to it exclusively because the exhaust smells much better.

Great info. Many thanks.

You may go exclusively to the Maxima ? (Expensive - but just looked and available here in the UK too......)

Mamima Super M. I used K2 for about a year then it went way up in price so I switched to Super M as it is about two-thirds the price. Rarely running at high revs so I figured it would do the very best. Mix at 50:1, runs really clean, just a nice wee ring of oil round the exhaust.

Thats worth knowing.......

Does it smell nice though ;) :D

Oh yes it smells good Shuv, though nothing smells like good old castor oil. I used to run Castrol 747 in my race mini-moto and it was beautiful!

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This works well with hardly a drip of spooge. It's has a lower flash point than the regular SuperTechniplate and the R50.

Smells like dirt bike sex too....:D

My .02
 

After reading these posts [and other forums over the years] I decided to make a change.
I had great results for many years with Motul 800 [50:1] in my Yamaha. Upon switching to KTM & Gas Gas I began to notice spooge drip line running down the length of the silencer. It was actually worse with my Gassers than the KTM.

Last year I switched to Redline [50:1] and the results were much better but still developed more spooge than I liked. The Motul 800 developed so much that it actually would drip off the silencer onto the swingarm. The Redline mix was better but still dripped about halfway down the silencer and was thick enough to be difficult to clean off.

So, for this last weekends ride I made the switch back to Motul but the 710 [based on some posts here] at the same 50:1 ratio.

After 2.5hrs of a mix of single track and fast double track, I had ZERO spooge running down the silencer.

I will note that I had less "smoke time" on warm up and when hard on the gas out on the trail with the 710 than I did with either the 800 or Redline. Throttle response seemed better and power/torque delivery "felt" stronger.

The "non existent" spooge tells me that it is indeed a "cleaner" burning mix. I will keep an eye on things to make sure that it is the case and not a situation that is actually too lean. I think I will stay with this one for a while since one ride may not be a sufficient test.

FWIW that is my 2 cents.

Amsoil Dominator and 710 are very similar especially if you are a lugger.

That was what I also found with the 800/710.
Read some more and I believe the 800 needs a higher temp to burn so if you lugging with slightly rich jetting it will not burn off as well as the 710

Exactly, Motul 800 has a higher flash point than 710, so requires a higher temperatures to burn off efficiently.
800 is designed around high rpm and high load engines, generally, offroad riding doesn't evoke situations where the engine is hot enough for 800 to burn off, hence the spooge.

And that's a bad thing ????I rather have it coming down the exhaust then having it transform to carbon on the valve and piston

Motool 710/800 and Dominator are 2 stroke oils, no valves - no worries.
800 would be for WFO around an MX type track or if you were road-racing a 2T or a very, very fast offroad guy. 710/Dominator are oils for those not WFO all the time, they won't fill up your silencer baffles with un-burnt oil.

It won't carbon up the piston as the oil gets burned in the pipe (unless you are VERY hot in the combustion chamber). Oil isn't part of the combustion mixture, it gets burned off in the pipe (counter intuitive, I know). A low temp oil will burn in the combustion chamber if the engine gets too hot, like you don't have coolant, etc, but in general the oil gets pumped into the pipe where it burns off or spooges out the back.

In theory oil should separate from gas in the crankcase and only gas should come up the transfer ports to the cylinder but that's not always the case. Low flash point oils are more prone to get burned along with gas, the carbon deposits on top of the piston are the consequence of this .

winter
 

Ha
you know a lot of guys are not riding now !! I swear the how much and what kind of oil discussions come up frequently in dec. jan.
I came up with an excuse not to go out today (too cold + wet) and here I am
Stoby

Too funny... :D

Yamalube 2R, only because I had a couple quarts here that were given to me. I think I am switching to something that burns cleaner once this is all gone.

Another note about the Motul 800: It comes in offroad and streebike specific formulas. I don't know if they are the same basic formula, but the street version has a lower viscosity for use in oil injection systems.

FWIW: the Motul 710 is also approved for use injector systems, but only it only comes in one version.

It may be sacrilege but I've been using this stuff in saws sleds and bikes for 15 years

I have been having good luck with Klotz R50. I have been using it for about 4 years now and during top end checkups / freshenings I am impressed at the significant oil film on all of the parts and the effort needed to clean it off. I have not found comparable oil films using Yamalube, Golden Spectol, Mobil MX4 and Redline Waterpumper. It smells great too!

The smell of 2stroke oil is very important but the oil I smell is whatever the guy in front of me uses - Now if I could just get those dudes to use Klotz I'd be happy, happy, happy.

What a mine-field. I almost regret reading all this !

If there's anything here that applies to me and my useage it would be the fact that Motul 710 looks a great oil to suit my 'lugging' type of riding without getting lots of spooge. Which I get a fair bit of using Putoline MX5.

I opened this can-o-worms...once. The lid is still off:D

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Im 'hoping' using 710 will give me the results it did for you. Sounds very positive........

Ive just bought some today after alot of reading-up. Just need to get rid of the pre-mix thats already in the tank now so i can start afresh.


Have you done any plug-chops etc to see if you were running lean, or if the new oil had any effect on mixture as-such ?

would you ride semi synth scoot oil, wich has the same specs as other non-scoot oils?
or allways fully synth oil?

i don't really wring the neck off of my 200,but not pampering her either... :rolleyes:

Either one is fine for dirt biking but synthetics can handle a wider heat range and thus can be used at higher mix ratios. As a general rule 43/1 (2.3%) is the highest mix ratio I use with a semi-synthetic, 32/1 (3.1%) max for non-synthetic and 75/1 (1.3%) max for full synthetic. Note[ never use a mix ratio higher than that recommended on the bottle of oil you use.

Motul 800 or Klotz Supertechnoplate- Nothing like the smell of Castor. Both at 50:1:)

Both have very high flashpoints and are great oils if you run a hot engine. Low rpm running and/or rich fuel mixtures will result in much cooler running engine temps which work much better with oils that have a lower flashpoint. A fast guy on a 125 will love these oils but a slow guy on a 300 gasser will smoke like an old diesel and fowl plugs.

Never had an issue, guess I am faster than I thought ;)

Blatantly copied and pasted: This is exactly what ive just posted on ThumperTalk. Im no 2 stroke expert - but these are my experiences and they may just help someone else at sometime, hence i thought id get them up in this thread:


"Well, the GasGas ive just bought is the first 2-stroke ive had; and the previous owner had been running the bike on Putoline MX5 Synthetic (Not sure if you guys in the USA have this oil). Runs great - but did have a little, quite thick spooge. Ive been running this at 50:1 as suggested by previous owner and many other GasGas owners.

I do 'lug' the bike quite a bit, and arent at the top of the rev-range / into the powerband very much. So after alot of reading i decided to buy and try some Motul 710 after reading about its great quality, great smell and most importantly its lower flash-point and "less spooge" properties.

My Gasser is pre-mix, so i pretty much ran the old tank of fuel out, filled up at 50:1 using Motul 710 and went out to ride. Also re-filled up halfway through and ran another tankful through (100 mile ride in total).

And its completely against pretty much all the reviews ive read, but IMO i had more (Certainly thinner, more watery and more messy ?) spooge ! Same bike, same ratio - just different oils. Bike ran great and MAY have even felt a little stronger, especially in the mid-range, but my spooge issues certainly didnt appear to improve dramatically.

From reading up, it would seem that to do it 100% "by the book" i should really now re-jet possibly for this particular oil and this mixture ratio. Maybe: All i can tell you is a straight oil swap and nothing else certainly wasnt a game-changer for me........"

Have any of you used Bel-Ray 2T oils? I am asking as my local dealer has started to stock Bel-Ray rather than Maxima and I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.

Gets great reviews, if thats anything to go on.....!

http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/...c-2-Stroke-Oil

trail riding 70%
small scramble tracks 30%
average hobby rider.

Motorex crosspower - too much spooge!
Denicol A1 - too much spooge!
Will switch to amsoil or 710 and check.

Any of you UK guys (Or anywhere else) use Putolines top offering: MX9 ?

Its pretty expensive at around ?18 ($30), but i did 80 odd miles today with a guy using it in a Husky. He's been using it 3 years, reckons he hardly ever suffers with spooge, and it smelt absolutely DIVINE !

Ive ordered some anyway. Just wondered anyone elses thoughts on it.

Putoline MX9 has a similar flash point to Motul 710. MX9 lists at 78C, and 710 lists at 88C.
So I think as far as spooge is concerned, it will be pretty clean.
For reference, Motul 800 flashes at 252C, and Putoline Racing Oil flashes at 250C.

I have never run MX9 personally, but know a racing family that ran it in many CR125 Husqvarnas with no issues.

Yea.....thanks.

I read the specs on the Putoline website, and saw the flashpoint was pretty low.

Fingers crossed im onto a winner then !