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Jakobi 04-16-2013 12:27 AM

S3 Race Custom Modified EC250 Complete Rebuild
 
Hello everyone. Here I go again on another learning curve following on from the last one HERE. 110 hours or there abouts has passed since I changed the EC300R to a 250 and I must say I've loved every second of it. The Gasser has been as reliable as a stone and now has 260hrs on the bottom end. I figured it was time for a complete rebuild. I have a large assortment of parts ready which I will probably photograph and post tonight. I may add costings too if anyone shows interest.

Stage 1: Engine Removal

All went to plan here. No real issues. Dropped the fluids and went about removing what had to come off to get the engine out. I had planned to remove the engine complete with flywheel however it appeared to be a whole lot of work to unwire everything so just left everything connected and removed the flywheel and stator. No rust or corrosion on the flywheel at all which was fanstastic.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps29a3b97a.jpg

The 2K3 doesn't allow you to modify the timing. I will discuss this with Dave and may look at drilling this out a bit and advancing the timing just a tad.
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It looks like the main seal might have been leaking slightly. There appears to be a bit of oil and dust in below the seal. The bike hadn't shown any dangerous signs of running lean but it did feel a bit flat in the top end at the end of the last ride.
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Out of the bike and on the bench. I need to go and fab up a jig to hold the engine in the vice this afternoon. I think that will be the easiest way to work on it. If I'm lazy I'll just use some timber offcuts and tack up a box.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps081567b2.jpg

Jakobi 04-16-2013 12:30 AM

Empty Chasis. It had been washed prior to pull down. Amazing how much dirt and crap is still on the engine and frame.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...psfeecfd84.jpg

And a quick peek in the exhaust port.
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dmcca 04-16-2013 01:53 AM

Good work... With the ignition timing just remove the little curved plate with the 'T' stamped on it and you'll get the adjustment you're after.

Jakobi 04-16-2013 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmcca (Post 108868)
Good work... With the ignition timing just remove the little curved plate with the 'T' stamped on it and you'll get the adjustment you're after.

How much advance would you look at adding Dave?

Jakobi 04-16-2013 03:50 AM

And continuing with the pull down.

RHS engine cover bolts backed out, water pump, impeller and seal removed.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps5b2aa756.jpg

Side removed. Everything looks pretty good. Clutch basket shows no notching in the fingers on first inspection which is a bonus. Bit of rust by the looks on the PV governor spring. Thats a bit odd. A close up to follow.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps466c8e49.jpg

Powervalve covers removed. Not too much spooge but enough to know everythings been lubed up well. I'm very happy with the Amsoil Dominator.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps996c4be8.jpg

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Jakobi 04-16-2013 03:58 AM

How good does the head look. Nothing has been wiped down yet. Just as they are as I strip it down. Daves magic is a winner!
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The piston wash. What do you all think? Its hard to know what was from the Lectron and what was my previous settings. Overall I think it looks pretty good. Some wash around the transfers. Not much carbon build up. Appears to be some in the middle but I have been toying around lately too. The dot in the middle is from the plastic piston stop I used during pull down.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps9c78c1e0.jpg

More pics will come of the piston once its been removed along with cylinder and ring end gaps etc.

Jakobi 04-16-2013 04:09 AM

And they keep on rolling in. Notice the spring on the PV governor? Bit strange? Anyone else ever noticed such things? I'll try and clean it up when its out later. I'm also very much considering changing the shims a bit to try and get the PV cracking open sooner I think.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps8a78301d.jpg

Reeds all still look like new. They have been replaced once in the 260hrs. I'd have to check exact time that they were done.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...psa0447f23.jpg

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And where I am up to now.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps98106e57.jpg

Time to get into a couple beers, have some dinner and watch a movie before bed. Tomorrows plan is to do the rest of the housework I ignored today, and then move on to getting the cases split, the crank pulled, and speccing up the wear. From what I see everything appears to be in pretty good order apart from the possible weeping main seal, and some rust on the rear cylinder mounts.

twowheels 04-16-2013 07:32 AM

Great progress, and yes your engine looks to be in great health for its age.

Jakobi 04-16-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twowheels (Post 108882)
Great progress, and yes your engine looks to be in great health for its age.

Thanks Steve.

dmcca 04-16-2013 05:27 PM

Jake post up a pic of the underside of the piston.

With the ignition the stock advance is only about 20-22 degrees at lower rpm from memory. There's room to go higher by a 2-3 degrees but then as the curve retards in the higher rpm you'll be left with a little too much advance, should still be safe with correct squish, etc but you'll lose a little top end and over rev. Have a play going from +2 to -2 and see how it feels with the mods you've got. There's no single best curve, it's all relative to the individual setup. That's why programmable ignitions are so good cause you can set it exactly how you need it.


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