2016 Yamaha Offroad 2 Stroke YZ250X
 

it looks like Yamaha is moving back into the offroad market.

http://www.cyclenews.com/431/35050/R...ha-YZ250X.aspx

6-speed would have been better, but this is a step in the right direction for the Japanese.

Only missing e-start, a six-speed, hydraulic clutch, and an extra half gallon of fuel ...

7390 MSRP, the best Kayaba SSS suspension components,plentiful parts supply including GYTR upgrades, dealer on every corner and a financially viable well managed company, imho.

it would be cool to see it with a "backwards" cylinder like there new 4 strokes.

Agreed. Depending on the gear box ratio, five speeds might be just fine. I never (or rarely) use sixth gear on my 300. And with everyone (it seems) buying up the stock of SSS KYB forks for their (not Yamaha) bike, it is almost a no-brainer to put this bike to market and have it succeed. Depending on the overall chassis package and handling attributes.

However. Regarding parts, I still can't walk into a dealership and get what I need, I still have to order any engine internal part, including bearings and rings. Any external bearing or seal I need I can source from a non-dealer location, like McMaster or a local bearing shop. So I propose that the dealer network has very little affect on our little niche.

That being said, I really dig it. I will be interested to see how it stacks up, it might be a viable competitor if it can negotiate the trails at 90% capability of the Euro bikes. The last 10% being managed through the excellent suspension components.

Must say that I agree with all of the above


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Still ugly, but at least they are trying.

The price is right, and its hard to argue with the KYBs. There's no telling what may or may not appear in the GYTR catalog, and the dealer-on-every-corner is just as likely to be heavily invested in sleds or generators or spread over 15 other brands. It wasn't that long ago that Yamaha lost 3 billion dollars ... in a year!

That being said, they seem, of all the Japanese companies, the most willing to at least consider the off-road market.

Hopefully.... This will go over well and they will sell a boat load of them. At that point the other 3 are going to have to take a look at their lack of off-road bikes (especially Honda). This yzx is exciting for several reasons. Will it force Honda to dig the cr250 out of it tomb and gives us what we want? What about the rerelease of the RMX? Or a new and improved KDX. I am super excited to see that Yamaha is developing an off-road segment


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Here is what it could look like with a few modifications courtesy of Yamaha of France.

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I looked at a few other press releases and they did some work on the ignition and power valve. I think this also is important. The Beta and Gas Gas bikes just work so well off idle. I'm really curious how this will work as a complete package. I road YZ 250's for years and they were good but not great.

Also comes with a Juicy Clutch!
Problem solved, def my next investment.
Would love to see a revised version of a YZ144/150, like what I rode for 5-1/2 years. Def the fastest woods bike I had Ever ridden . . .

Yes,it is very nice.

http://www.yamahaxc.com/models/



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The YZX has me looking at Yammies agian...haven't owned a YZ since '99. ( really like my GG, and will keep it...would like to get a '15+ GG, but no available over size tank is a deal killer)

I may do what this guy did, instead of buying new...build it exactly how I want it.

Has a 325 kit in it.

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-R...d-Ebay,1266119

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Asked my yamaha dealer what the chances of the other japanese manuf getting a 2stroke back out there when the yz x came out.His opinion was it was highly doubtful due to setup cost of tooling/production.Yamaha never stopped producing yz so a tweak here/there to the yz assembly line and the x appeared.
As for the bike a 6spd and a hyd clutch(as above) are all thats missing.(and maybe a yellow/blk/wht vers.)
Im guessing if they sell a bunch there may be more development,but for a 6spd/hyd clutch im thinking that would involve a complete case redesign to accomodate,this in turn could require frame alterations etc.on what is a 'dirt only' model(smaller market)
I cant see it happening for a couple of years,as it stands the yz-x platform owes them virtually no development cost and they are selling well enough.
Unless they develop a new '300' platform?;)

Won't see a 300 from the japs anytime soon.

I bought a YZ X and love it works very well in on the single track and also in the desert. It starts very easy without a button. Also tust to let you know I am 71 years old.
Harold

ALSO missing the high output lighting flywheel, or flywheel weight (which I would need for sure). Or lights and sirens. When my Yamaha dealer got one in they were like "here is your new bike!" but after discussing with them what it DIDN'T have, like Steve mentioned above, it was plain to see I would have to sink too much money into it to make it even CLOSE to a new GasGas in the details that I personally want. I agree though, it is a step in the right direction.

What other bikes have you had that you can compare it to? I have ridden 250 mx bikes converted to off road for 25 years so we likely have some overlap.

I have a 2002 250 Gasser, I also had a 2008 300 and a 2012 300 I have had many other bikes through the years too many to list.

Would you mind comparing the 250x motor to the 250 and 300 GasGas you owned. The only thing I have read to date is the YZx is a lot smoother than a YZ but does not have the low end or smoothness of a KTM 300.

Everyone seems to miss what Yamaha is trying to do here. The x models are aimed at GNCC and National Enduro style competition. They fall in line with KTM's XC line. There are now 2 of the yz250x's in my riding group and they are awesome bikes. One guy likes to ride the super hard stuff (qualified for Sunday's event at the TKO last year) and the other guy likes the faster stuff. Both love these bikes and say it's the best bike they have ever owned. The suspension is perfect right out of the box, just spring it and you're ready to go. The motor is not even similar to a yz. It has tons of low end power that starts right off idle and if you roll on the throttle it continues to build in a very smooth and useable manner. Flip the clutch and it will explode and remind you why you love a 2t. No e-start? no worries this bike can be started by hand, literally I have seen it done. And as far as the 6 speed it really doesn't need it. First is a granny gear, you can walk beside the bike but, in 5th it will still run 70mph. how fast do you need to go? The gearing is spaced perfectly and the bike likes to be ridden in 2nd and 3rd.

If I were to compare it to my 2011 300 in stock form I would say the yz had nearly as much low end and revs higher and faster than the 300, making a little more top end power. They truly are awesome machines. The YZ450FX is out now and it is amazing!


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For Yamaha's sake that's a good thing. I traded off with a guy yesterday, and his "completely dialed" woodsy YZ250 was either sucking wind or trying to pull your arms off. The ignition and porting on the MX bike have always been a compromise for woods riding.

Beyond that, the whole bike felt dated, and the X will as well, just because they are.

Thanks for the view compared to the GasGas. It seems every review compares it to a YZ 250 which is by no means a smooth off road motor. I road them for 6 years and had them converted to off road. Good bikes but IMO not even the best 250 MX motor I had for off road. Sounds like the x is a lot better but I wonder how it compares to my 250rr Beta. Compared to my 300 GasGas the Beta has a little less low end, better midrange, same on top and more over rev. Since everyone says the x has more over rev than the YZ I'm sure the over rev on the x is better than the Beta.

The other concern I have with the x is the gap between 3rd and 4th. It is wider than the Beta which is wider than the GasGas. No big deal in the open when you are using all the power but in the tighter stuff I like to be able to pick between gears depending on the traction. Seem no one has commented on that. If the x really has a good motor it may well be able to make this jump.

In 4th are you not out of the tight stuff or are you that fast?



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That is in the woods where average speeds are 20+ MPH. Real common in terrain that has a lot of sand but is not limited to this terrain. I originally come from the Midwest and now live in AZ and find I gear the same where ever I ride. My woods speed is good - Top 5 local from 1978-2009. Could break the top 20 in nationals. Now I just ride so lost a little speed but still love it!

My 40A riding buddy would agree with Memphis, including the hand start c

He was a KTM devotee' (250 2T and 350 4T).

He loves the Yammie. Motor and suspension, in particular. I can't recall his comments on handling.

My riding buddy is riding one instead of his TM and really likes his , but if I bought one it would clash with the colors in my bike room . No wait that would make it Red,White n Blue . I mite have to give it some thought ? Nope cant do it lovin my Gassers !

Rode an '05 GasGas EC300 for 5 years, just got a 2016 YZ250X.
Have about 25 hours on the X now.
The 250X motor is smooth, real smooth. Good torque off the bottom, but definitely not as tractor-like as the GG 300 (not sure if any motor is!) No big power-band hit at the top, stays pretty linear throughout the range. Seat of my pants tells me it gets to the top quicker than the GG, but that could be imagined, I dunno.
The numbers say the 250X has 44 hp, the GG had 48. The 250X weighs a LOT less (open to debate), I say 25 pounds less, truely. Could be why she feels quicker.
Maybe its just me improving as a rider, or its the bike, but I can loft the front tire in 4th and 5th with the 250X, had trouble doing it on the GG.

Top 5 "local" in 1978
Cud ride top 20 "national" today?

No drinking and posting.

Forum looking for realistic input and evaluations.Sheeesh

Perhaps he meant top 20 in the Nationals in the same 1978 timeframe?

Well I have a 2011 250 e.g. very well set up bike raced enduro. Here in mi.. great bike loved it. Last summer I bought a yz 250x. I have rode ever other kind out there. It does not feel dated at all to me. Motor makes very linear power right off bottom all the way up no hit at all. Revs up very quickly. Handles great. It goes where you point it. I love it . Just need a steering stabilizer for woods riding. Jetting is good from factory. And it's KYB fitted. I was honestly afraid to ride my gas gas after I bought this yz. Thinking I would still love my gas gas it's a great bike but my leg goes over the blue bike these days. :) my 15 yr old loves his new gas gas .