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Jeff B 12-22-2016 05:44 PM

2017 Contact 250
 
Just found and joined this forum. I'm looking at the new 250 Contact. I have been doing vintage trials. Now I want to explore modern trials. I can't find much about the Contact. How much is in common with the more advanced Gas Gas trials bikes? Brakes, sprockets, wheel bearings, etc. I cant find a parts list yet.. Are the frames the same? Where is the engine sourced from? I will most likely buy the bike anyway. When it comes time for replacement parts, I just want to know that parts are available. Jeff

Dirt Dud 12-22-2016 07:39 PM

Great Questions as a gasgas trials bike owner I rode the contact and it is a great buy for someone new to modern trials bikes . The bones are all trials bike the parts are great for someone who does not need the suspension a Race version gives you . The seat tank combo gives you a Sherco Xride type of trail bike , I have one of those to and it just does not get used much . The engine and power are great for trials events and messing around the back yard . I do not know of a better buy out there for a starter trials /Xride bike . Good luck if you do get it . PM me if you have any questions . I really like my gg trials bikes and have owned a bunch of brands .

Jeff B 12-23-2016 06:32 PM

Any idea if it is a current engine? Who is a good parts supplier in the U.S. ? Thanks and looking forward to being on the GG Team. Jeff

Leo 12-24-2016 05:54 AM

The contact is the TXT bikes with bigger tank and added seat. It has cheaper suspension (oll? front forks), and other equipments whitch give it smaller price point. Same engine and frame.

Jeff B 12-24-2016 10:44 AM

Thanks. I am off Tuesday and going to look at a new one. Jeff

Dirt Dud 12-24-2016 01:09 PM

My son and I were looking at the Contact today and if I did not own a Sherco X ride as my third Trials bike / with a seat I would buy one . They are a copy of my 2014 Factory with a few changes that up to killer intermedate / expert you would not no the difference . I would change out the tires at some point with a better tire and put in a tubeless tire setup . And that is it :D just ride it!! Mattos had two on the floor .

Dirt Dud 12-25-2016 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rod Overstreet (Post 173552)
Throw my 2 cents into this discussion. Keep in mind I?m an average off-road rider at best and been riding since I was 8, but this trials game is all new to me. Sure I've ridden them before but only now am I taking the serious approach to learning how to ride with finesse, and considering competing in the STRA series next season. Since I have both TXT280 and Contact 250 in my demo fleet, and after spending a bit of time on both, I offer the following impressions.

First the upside on TXT 280 Racing.

TXT has power, and lots of it. Simple blip of the throttle puts the 280 from wheel pointing skyward. Combine that kind of punch with the right amount of body English, there isn't much you can't climb or jump over if you have the guts to try it. Top of the line suspension, wheels, tires, controls, clamps, etc for only MSRP $7699 USD and you have a machine capable of winning the local trial or a National. It's all up to you and your skill level.

Now the downside.

TXT has power...and sometimes too much of it. Hard to hang on when you're a novice trials rider (or at least for me), learning the ropes on a world champion caliber machine. In some cases, I approach an obstacle, close my eyes, blip the throttle and hope for the best. The bike has never failed to get the job done, making me look like a hero but if I'm not extra careful with all that power on tap, I get into trouble when I should be smooth. You have the option of a dual map switch and yes, it makes a world of difference. Regardless, the TXT 280 Racing is a serious machine designed for a rider with ALLOT more talent than I will ever have.

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Contact 250, the plus side.

Contact comes with a Dellorto carb and surprisingly it starts easier than TXT which uses a Keihin. Power delivery is VERY user friendly, with bottom end torque that allows me to ride extra smooth over the rough stuff. Clutch and brake action are typical GasGas...top notch. The larger fuel tank allows for a longer ride, without sacrificing handling because of the extra fuel and suspension works pretty good, even at my weight.

The minus side of Contact.

The tires are OK at best. If you never ride a bike that has a good pair of real trials tires mounted on it, then you'll never see the need to change them. OK, I'll be honest. The stock tires will get you by if your only riding novice sections or trail riding but don't think for a second these will stick on a wet rock like the Michelin X11s that come stock on the TXT. Keep in mind also, the TXT rims are tubeless while the Contact is a tube type.

Power is very good for the novice / intermediate rider but you will need to stab the clutch lever PLUS blip the throttle to clear the same obstacle that TXT just went over like it was nothing. Out on rougher portions of trail, the Contact front end feels just a tad heavy compared to TXT. Once again perhaps because of the power delivery but mostly because the front fork is a bit soft compared to the higher quality forks used on TXT.

Now the costs involved...

TXT 250 or 280, MSRP $7699.00 USD

Contact 250 MSRP $5999.00 USD

OK, so round it off at $1700.00 difference and ask yourself this. "How serious do I plan to get with a trials bike?" Simply put, you can't buy a Contact and turn it into a TXT with $1700.00. Not even close. All things considered, the TXT is the true bargain of the 2 bikes. If you're planning on just using a trials bike to help you become a better enduro rider, then why waste $1700.00? Go pick up a Contact and have a blast.

At $5999.00 you will get a larger percentage of your money back when you sell it, but my guess is, once you experience trials, you will keep the Contact as a practice bike, then purchase a TXT for competition.

Yes, these bikes are that much fun.


Plus 1 on the difference Rod you nailed it . My 300 Race will eat you up if you blip it at the wrong time . But it does help me get in shape picking up my bike !

Jeff B 12-27-2016 09:23 PM

They did not have a Contact 250, so I rode the 280. The 280 is a little bit of a pain to start so I put a deposit on a 250 Contact. Rod ..If you are reading, does this bike come with the appreciation package? My current background is cross country riding. So...new bike...trials bike. What oil and ratio for a GG trials bike? I know this can be a can of worms. Thanks to everybody for chiming in. Jeff

Dirt Dud 12-28-2016 04:57 AM

Jeff you are going to love your bike they do however have a starting technique that you will need to learn . I try to find TDC top dead center choke on and then a good kick gets it most of the time . The most it takes me is 3 tries and do not forget to take off the choke . If you take care of it in 5 years it will bring you back $3500. in 10 years $2500. Unlike enduro bike they do not need many extra parts . So enjoy your new bike !

Jeff B 12-30-2016 05:03 PM

I had no trouble starting the 280 after it was warmed up. But for my use, I would prefer a little easier starting. I will use the bike for practice, goofing off in the back yard and trail work. A lot of starting and stopping.. Jeff

Nhuskys 12-30-2016 08:46 PM

Congratulations and enjoy your Contact! My '17 Gas Gas TXT 125 is an awesome bike and in 6 months I've become hooked on trials riding.:D

Jeff B 01-01-2017 10:45 AM

I thought the Contact had a fuel screw. It has a different carb.

Jeff B 01-15-2017 06:15 PM

Picked up the 250 Saturday. I may have misled some to think I don't know how to start a 2 stroke, not a problem. That being said, the 250 is easier to start because of the lower compression and maybe a little bit better jetting. The 280 can be a chore to start hot or cold. I don't know why. The TXT and the Contact use the same engine if I am correct. It started on second kick today. It is just too sloppy here to ride. Hope soon I can ride. My dealer said Maxima at 100 to 1. But the manual says 50 to 1. Any suggestions? Jeff

Dirt Dud 01-16-2017 07:22 PM

In my trials bikes I run 80 / 1 most of the time since you are not running them hard and long like my enduro bikes . So by going 80 / 1 it does not load up and rarely fowls a plug . Enjoy your new ride !

Dirt Dud 01-18-2017 06:58 PM

I agree with Rod if you are riding trials but if you are using the bike for trail riding where you wined it out a little more oil is a good thing .

Jeff B 04-07-2017 08:20 PM

What octane is the most used? Jetting off idle doesn't chop clean without a little rattle every now and then. I am running 102 race gas.

Dirt Dud 04-08-2017 02:09 AM

I run 102 octane also and it seems to run very clean . I would call Bud at Mattos or Jim at Foxs trials barn they deal with these issues every day and have always been very helpful . Or you could put a Smart Carb on the bike I did do that to one of my trials bikes .

Jeff B 04-08-2017 01:04 PM

Is it normal for it to have a low RPM irregular spaced slight pop on deceleration? Jeff

Jeff B 05-10-2017 09:47 PM

Been riding the Contact about 3 times a week. Took it out doing trail work. It is perfect for trail work. Runs great. Got jetting pretty close now. Thinking about going to the Trials Training Center next week. I am ready to put it in trials sections. I have been doing vintage trials and am wanting to expand. Just having fun. From what I am hearing, this bike is a hot seller. Jeff

cheeseberger 06-04-2017 05:18 PM

Will 4th gear pull a long hill, and is it usable in a techy section on the Contact 250? The gap on my 2010 Sherco 290 between 3rd and 4th is too big for the type of riding I like to do, I want a more usable 4th gear. I miss my Scorpa SY250.

thanks

Jeff B 06-04-2017 10:56 PM

Yes, it pulls 4th fine. 5th and 6th is where the gap gets bigger. So now it is time for a ride report. I went to the Trials Training Center. I got schooled by a 70 plus year old instructor. I rode it on the intermediate line. I rode my bike and tried a TXT 125. There is nothing that would hinder the Contact 250. The suspension is fine. I would not adjust it if it had clickers. The tires are O.K. for lower intermediate and less riders. Better tires will be helpful for more advanced riders. (I can't tell the difference) The only change I made was I went up to a 40 pilot. It puts the fuel screw more in the middle. It has a lean pop on deceleration, but it is NOT engine knock. The other change was I changed to the BLACK throttle tube. It slows down the acceleration and softens out the engine.. Starts easy, idles perfect, shifts good. I have used the bike as I said earlier in the post. Trials and trail work. The seat works very well. It would be nice if the hole for the seat mount was pre-drilled. I am very happy with the 250. For me, the 250 is a better choice than the 280. The 250 starts easier, has less hit, very little noise, and it didn't hurt that it was less money. Only negative is you can't run pump gas. I am running 102 unleaded race gas. Not a big problem in Nashville,Tn. I tried pump 91, race gas 98, 102, 105, 110 and 100LL avgas. 102 and 100LL (low lead) ran the same. Nashville small airports will not sell me avgas unless I have a airplane sitting there...I don't. But a friend does. I will stick to 102 race gas. Yup...I like it. Jeff

Jeff B 06-10-2017 06:53 PM

Rode the Contact today. It ran crappy and was hard to start, fouled a plug. New plug and re-adjust fuel screw for hot weather. It is back to normal. A note to future buyers. I replaced the 36 pilot with a 40. I think I can fine tune summer to winter with the 40. It needed to be leaned out today. Jeff

kenfm2000 07-09-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff B (Post 177268)
Only negative is you can't run pump gas. I am running 102 unleaded race gas. Not a big problem in Nashville,Tn. I tried pump 91, race gas 98, 102, 105, 110 and 100LL avgas. 102 and 100LL (low lead) ran the same. Nashville small airports will not sell me avgas unless I have a airplane sitting there...I don't. But a friend does. I will stick to 102 race gas. Yup...I like it. Jeff

Jeff, I'm curious what the issue is with pump gas. I use ethanol free 92 pump gas and at my elevation (about 3300 ft) it seem to work fine. Is there a symptom I should look out for that will steer me towards race gas?

Are you still using the oem front sprocket? I read somewhere dropping 1 tooth in the front in addition to the black throttle tube is a great combo for the contact 250. I'm ordering the black throttle tube this week and might also get a new front sprocket.

Thanks!

Jeff B 07-10-2017 07:53 PM

Higher octane has slower burn. Some say higher octane burns richer. Lower elevation like Nashville Tenn, has higher oxygen density. That may be why my bike is lean with lower octane. I just could not jet it. 102 octane was about right. It was still lean at low rpm. The 40 pilot was about right. The 40 made it perfect at idle to low rpm but rich coming into the needle. I dropped the needle 1 clip. Perfect! I went to a 9 tooth front because it was better for the very tight turns we make. I can not explain oxygen levels scientificlly, but, it works for me. It runs perfect, starts easy, idles perfect. I might run a 45 pilot in colder weather. You are at higher elevation, 92 might be about right. Jeff

Jeff B 09-19-2017 05:40 PM

It has been a while. Any other ride reports from Contact owners? I richened the pilot to a 42. It starts better and has better off idle response. The lean pop on decal is completely gone. Spark plug looks good. Re-jetting is easy and no reason not to try. Check your jetting in a higher gear [4th]. Roll the throttle from idle and up. It should be smooth. I did a event. Rode the novice line. Had a blast. I would like to hear what other Contact owners have to say. Jeff

Jeff B 04-29-2018 06:52 PM

One year ride report. Been using it for trail work last couple of weekends. The seat is a big plus. I practice my trials skills in the back yard. Starts and runs great. No problems. Still find no need to upgrade anything. Some will say the tires. When riding the novice line, traction is not a problem. Skill is the problem. (we don't do splats nor boulders) I am thinking about cutting an inch or so off each end of the bars. Is there any reason not to? I am surprised I don't see much more about the Contact. Anyone hear any chatter about the Contact ES?

Dirt Dud 05-01-2018 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirt Dud (Post 173622)
Jeff you are going to love your bike they do however have a starting technique that you will need to learn . I try to find TDC top dead center choke on and then a good kick gets it most of the time . The most it takes me is 3 tries and do not forget to take off the choke . If you take care of it in 5 years it will bring you back $3500. in 10 years $2500. Unlike enduro bike they do not need many extra parts . So enjoy your new bike !

Jeff glad you are liking your trials / trail bike I am just getting back into the dirt again and it is my trials bike bringing me back ! I have always run 102 plus in my trials bikes they just run crisper .

Cardona Daniel 09-30-2018 12:13 PM

Gas Gas Contact es 250
 
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Hello To all.

I'm new here and I live in Malta, I'm looking for a light and trail capable bike to replace my CRF250L, currently i was set to get a Beta Alp 200 (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktSVwkKil1E&t=1s ) it's a cross between a trial bike and trail. I always fancied a trial bike, incredibly light and capable machines but for some reason they all look intimidating for me.

Recently by luck I discovered that a Gas Gas dealer recently opened in the island and the first bike that came into my mind was the Randonne, unfortunately i discovered that these are not into production anymore, such a shame. the dealer instead had the new Contact Es (road legal ) complete with seat, needless to say i was impressed by it and it looked impressive, super light and very well made. after a minute tough doubts started to come, I ask the dealer if it's a handful to ride it on the road he immediately sad ''No, not at all'' then i asked him if it's capable to ride it at least at 80km/h and his response was '' yes of course, why it wouldn't'' then i really was asking myself if this guy is trolling with me or he really mean it.

i asked about road usage because in order to go to my favourite trails i need to get to the street first, some of them are least at 15km away, i asked also about fuel range and he told me for were i'm planning to go it won't be a problem but he didn't gave me a definite answer or the fuel range, worst case he told to carry some oil so when i get to the pump then i mix the oil into the tank when refuelling.

I'm also new to 2 stroke's so I'm worried if the Contact 250 would be too much for me, I'm afraid that the first twist of the throttle would end a flip over.

I also noticed and later discovered that the road legal version( maybe only here in EU) The bike comes with two exhaust manifold's and another carburettor, the manifold that came pre installed with the bike is for the Homologated setup which it comes black painted and it has some sort of flexible pipe and breather attached to it at the front but very unobtrusive and merely visible also the carburettor has something different but i didn't ask what, the guy at the shop didn't seem to be mechanical minded. the other manifold and carburettor are for a full power setup i assume.

So, my question is. what's the top speed of the Contact Es 250? can be ridden moderately without risking to blow up the motor?

what range I'm looking at with a 3.5 litre's of fuel?

If the radonne was still available I think i would have done the order u put my cash on the desk,why the hell gas gas stopped producing it?

I'm no expert rider when it come's to offroad but I would like to improve and with a light and trial capable machine i think I might double the fun and improve my skills, i got tired to the heaviness of the CRF and tall seat, I'm only 32 inch inseam so a low seat is very much preferred.

So should i stick with the plan of buying the Beta Alp or the Gas Gas might work for me? I spend 2 good days thinking about the Contact since I first laid my eyes on it and imagine how many more places i could go through with such a light machine but I think I may make a mistake to take it instead of the alp.

So I'm open for suggestions and thought's about it, any advice is welcome.

Kind Regards

Daniel

memphis2857 09-30-2018 02:04 PM

The Contact is a trials bike first and everything else 2nd. The seat is a novelty and horribly uncomfortable to ride in the seated position. 80kmh is going to have that bike screaming and you wouldn’t want to do it for more than a few seconds. It sounds like that is not the bike you are looking for. Just my opinion though


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Cardona Daniel 09-30-2018 03:00 PM

so if i can't reach 80km/h then for what' speed it's intended to do on the road since they come road legal?

similar bikes like the Ossa explorer, scorpa TY, montesa 4 ride? are they all the same as the contact?

memphis2857 10-01-2018 01:29 PM

I have no idea why they make them road legal. Here in the states they do no such thing. I always figured it was just some Euro workaround so they can sell them in a certain market.


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memphis2857 10-01-2018 01:32 PM

I am in no way putting the Contact down. I recently rode one at a trials event and it was a ball of fun. I just can’t see where having one a a primary trail bike would be much fun. And I especially wouldnt want to ride one on the street. It’s just not what they are intended for


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gasgasman 10-01-2018 01:50 PM

+1.

A GG Ranger seems like the better choice.

Cardona Daniel 10-01-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by memphis2857 (Post 186109)
I am in no way putting the Contact down. I recently rode one at a trials event and it was a ball of fun. I just can?t see where having one a a primary trail bike would be much fun. And I especially wouldnt want to ride one on the street. It?s just not what they are intended for


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I know it's no street motorcycle but to be able to ride on the street so you can go to your preferred trails without the need of using a trailer sounded good to me.

Cardona Daniel 10-01-2018 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gasgasman (Post 186110)
+1.

A GG Ranger seems like the better choice.

with a 37 inch seat height? .....naahh

Jeff B 10-04-2018 05:15 PM

Top speed is not for hwy use. If I were to guess 50 mph? Second of all, the seat is great until you plan on using it. Bouncing down the trail while seated, the rear mount on the seat broke. I was able to modify it and make it MUCH stronger. The clip inside the seat is no longer used. The seat base at the rear is too thin to be strong. The Contact is a real trials bike. A beginner will not find any short comings. Ridding the "3" line, the Contact is more that enough for any rider. Experts will not find any problems in the "3" line. As you get better, you will most likely find things to be changed...tires? If you can out ride the Contact, get a better bike. I love my 2017. One word of warning. Check on overheating of any trials bike. They just don't have enough cooling system for long, steady rides. Good luck.

kenfm2000 02-01-2019 07:49 AM

I went to a Ryan Young Trials clinic last week. When he was setting up everyone's bikes he mentioned my front suspension on my Contact 250 was very slow in both directions "like Molasses". He said it would just require a little more effort to do some things. He did not seem to have any problems wheelies and nose wheelies and read wheel hops on it.

I have not done anything to the suspension at all. I did buy the bike new so I don't think there would be too much oil in the forks.

Has anyone changed the fork oil yet? Do you recommend just sticking with 5w oil and 160mm air chamber for oil level? Is there anything else I can do to speed up the front suspension?

Jeff B 02-01-2019 09:16 PM

You could try 2.5 wt. That would speed it up in both directions. Measure the oil level before you dump it. I don't know if it is true, but, I have read someone claimed different weights oil in each leg. Otherwise, how do you like the Contact. Any problems? Mine is great.

kenfm2000 01-31-2020 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff B (Post 188351)
You could try 2.5 wt. That would speed it up in both directions. Measure the oil level before you dump it. I don't know if it is true, but, I have read someone claimed different weights oil in each leg. Otherwise, how do you like the Contact. Any problems? Mine is great.

Wow I totally forgot I posted about the slow fork movement here. I do really like the Contact. I am still struggling to get better. I am not anywhere close to outriding the contact. My friend I used to ride with had a stroke and can't ride anymore so that adds to my struggle. Its definitely harder to push myself when I ride by myself.

I will try some lighter weight oil and see how it goes.


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