Is the 2013 EC 300 too heavy?
 

Second time around with me and the old girl. All my mates have '18's 9GG and Beta) and my bike is at least 10-15 kg heavier. I am also old and weak!
Anyone else find the '13 a boat anchor? Sure when you're riding it it's OK. But picking it up aint so easy!
I guess the weight ( of a 450!) means it's pretty strong.....
Basically I'm considering ( next year) getting a newer bike, much as I've got an attachment ( as much as I have to any bike- which as anyone who knows me would say isnt very strong!) to this one. The newer ones ( KYB) seem to have no vibrations and float over everything.

As a long time gas gas liker...my purchase of a 2012 gas gas was one decision I heavily....no pun intended..regretted..the 13 had minor improvements...the 12 steering lock to lock was horrible...all regrets were related to ...well the weight..i had to drill a 3/4 inch hole in my rear brake caliper...so the brakes woundnt constantly boil over...over shooting everything....and whoops...lmfao...swapping side to side so dangerously your life is at stake! The 11 was a better bike in my book...(Did like the etrgos on the 12 better!) While I've yet got to ride and 18 all reports are of a better bike...still on the heavy side...and xc to my knowledge is 232 ready to ride no fuel.. so a slight porker but no worse then and old kdx 200....ive heard good things and spoke with a real fast guy that rides one...i like them and if they bring in a 200 may jump ship..

I call BS!@ :D

I weighed equivalent bikes, on the same scales, in the same shed, using the same method.

Both using rad braces, AXP bashy, P3 Pipe guard, and everything else stock. The 13 a kick only model, the 18 with the magic button. There was 5-6kgs difference, both with about a quarter of a tank of fuel (111kg vs 116/7).

I always thought the 13 felt heavy to lift. I never really had any issue with it in motion. I haven't lifted the 18 yet.

5-6 kg plus e start ( maybe 2 kg inc lithium battery). Not THAT much I guess!

Ya so 12 or 13 pounds not counting the electric start...the 12 even with the steering stops removed where you can hit the radiator I still found not tight enough turning...the test in dirt bike magazine says the steering could be more..i would really like to ride one of these new generation gassers...does anyone know if they actually come with heavy duty tubes or Not? That would justify 2 pounds or so...if I could get and xc 250 down to 218-220 without spending a fortune I'd try one..they do seem tall..i sat on one and it felt taller then my new generation husqvarna..

The new GG and Beta are awesome. I liked the GG a bit better. Yep, quite tall though ( not the Beta!).
They are way better than the ?13. The ?14 lost a couple of pounds. Dirtrider weighed a ?13 fully fueled, was 270 lb ( cf the ktm which was 30lb less).
Im not a weight weenie, but you can defs feel it.
Id really like a GP.....

When I get old and infirm I will hunt down a 2 stroke Freeride. Best woods bike ever. Until you get into the open. EC300 still more fun but Freeride soo effective and easy to ride. Would be great for slight or older rider.
Which I felt like after Sunday mostly 1st or 2nd gear all day.

Have you ridden a X-Trainer? I've ridden both and I'd throw the Freeride over a cliff the day an X-Trainer became available. And I'd expect the new GG Ranger to be even better than the X-Trainer. My opinion of the Freeride can't be typed into the internet or I'll be banned. :eek::eek:

Well, I owned a 12, still have a 13 I am getting ready to sell and have about 26hrs on the 18 GP 300 I bought as a leftover in September.
The 12, well that bike was well that bike, only had about 50hrs on it when it was replaced in with a 13 which is really a 12.5. I got that bike working very well suspension was what I thought was good, it handled well very stable tracked well in the ruts. There are plenty of nuts, bolts, and spacers to hold the bike together. Is she heavy I suppose but built like a tank and carries it well, kinda sounds like me. That 13 turned into a really good bike for me, took a lot of set up and getting it right but in the end was a very good bike and brought me to a 3rd place championship in 12, and a 2nd place in13 championship in my class. So they can be very good bikes.
Well now the 18 is light years ahead, the suspension is just amazing just sprung it for my weight and set the sag. Few clicks here and there and it just soaks everything up. Still working on the jetting but I am very close.
The weight of the bike never bothered me, I won't complain about the weight of a bike until I weigh less than the bike.:)

No never seen one. I've only ridden the 2 stroke version in tight woods. Reminded me of my TXT200 trials bike. Almost. That TXT was tiresome as country opened out but in the tricky stuff like, a , erm, trials bike.