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Leo 01-21-2014 02:46 PM

Thinking about trial
 
I'm thinking about buy one used trial bike to play around and improve my techniques...


Can I ride it on regular trails with minimum confort?
What mileage I would expect with this soo small gas tank?

I saw some Sherco and some GasGas...Any better?

Any internet nice place to find more info?

thanks

kaos 01-21-2014 07:38 PM

Technical trails are great on a trials bike. After the initial "uncomfortable" rides that will let you get used to muscles you don't use, you will find the agility and lightness a lot of fun.
Outfitted with the hebo fork tank you get a decent amount of ride time,generally 4- 5 hours with breaks. And likely all your body wants to handle.
If finances allow get a 2-3 year old bike from a intermediate level rider. They generally don't kill the bike with huge splatters etc,and tend to be serious enough to perform proper servicing .

Coop 01-21-2014 07:48 PM

Trials bikes are great fun. You won't be sitting down (no seat) so I'm not sure about comfort. But I take mine on trails sometimes and it's great practice.

Plus I can practice techniques in my yard. It doesn't take much room.

Boom Boom 01-21-2014 08:17 PM

Trials Central has any and all info you will ever want.
For more trail riding I would go with Beta or Gas Gas only because they have a 6 speed vs 5 speed for Sherco and Montesa. Not any faster just a nicer gear spacing for trail use. 4th in the Gas Gas and Beta are great hill climb gears.
When I do trail riding I carry two metal fuel bottles (quart each) in a back pack and can cover the same distance a enduro bike with 2.5 gal tank.
Boring unless riding more challenging stuff.
Get ready for a major leg work out.
You will be surprised just how fast you can make a trials bike run thru tight single track...
The brakes will not tolerate long hard use.
Any deep water needs crossed on the rear wheel.
Easy to ride wheelies for miles.
Buy one and have fun.

sevenfourate 01-22-2014 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Boom Boom (Post 126762)
Any deep water needs crossed on the rear wheel.


All good advice above.........

Im 'confused' by this one though ? Presumably the front brake and water dont mix.......why ?

GasGasDreamer 01-22-2014 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo (Post 126722)
I'm thinking about buy one used trial bike to play around and improve my techniques...

yes, by leaps and bounds
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Originally Posted by Leo (Post 126722)
Can I ride it on regular trails with minimum comfort?

why ride regular trails?
its when you ride in the 'trials' areas that you get the skill.
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Originally Posted by Leo (Post 126722)
What mileage I would expect with this so small gas tank?

after 3 hours of trials riding [one tank] you will be done physically.
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Originally Posted by Leo (Post 126722)
Sherco and some GasGas...Any better?

GasGas of course.
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Originally Posted by Leo (Post 126722)
Any internet nice place to find more info?

google , trials central, searchtempest [search all craigslist]
they hold there value

if I could get any bike I would get an Ossa Explorer
http://www.ossamotor.es/EN/models.php?idMoto=339

swazi_matt 01-22-2014 01:39 AM

I think it has more to do with the position of the airbox than the front brake

I had a montessa and it was good fun, but i did not have enough time to ride two bikes, i also figured i should rather try to do the trials drills on my enduro bike.
Unless you can get a seat (montesa has one) it is a real workout, if you think you stand alot on an enduro bike, 5 mins on the trials bike will show you how often you use your seat
Still miss my trials bike

GasGasDreamer 01-22-2014 02:14 AM

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Still miss my trials bike

it's okay to show the pain....
but she'll never really understand...

rosco 01-22-2014 08:15 AM

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The reason you want to carry the front wheel through crick crossings is the trials bikes have such a steep steering angle. The front end will tend to want to tuck in when you hit water or deep snow. This is a 2012 Gas Gas 280 econo that I have for sale. It has the extended range tank and the quick detach seat.

c337b 01-22-2014 09:02 AM

I put a extra fuel tank on my GG280 for extra range

http://justgastanks.com/product_info...roducts_id=350

Leo 01-22-2014 09:16 AM

thanks for all responses guys.

sevenfourate 01-22-2014 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rosco (Post 126795)
The reason you want to carry the front wheel through crick crossings is the trials bikes have such a steep steering angle. The front end will tend to want to tuck in when you hit water or deep snow. This is a 2012 Gas Gas 280 econo that I have for sale. It has the extended range tank and the quick detach seat.


Thanks for the explanation.

Id love a Trails bike too.......Bearing in mind i have a venue used for both training and Competition events literally 1 mile up the road from my house. If i get something road registered i can actually ride it backwards and forwards from my house. For the ease of being able to have a go - and as and when i fancy it, along with helping bike skills makes complete sense......


Your bike looks killer. Infact if i was 3000 miles nearer id have made you an offer ;)

Boom Boom 01-22-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sevenfourate (Post 126770)
All good advice above.........

Im 'confused' by this one though ? Presumably the front brake and water dont mix.......why ?

Very low air intake and if you just drive thru modest deep water at speed your boots and legs will funnel water directly to the air box.
Just ride a wheelie and all is fine.
Newer Shercos have air intake where most hold fuel so not a problem with them.
Also as commented the front could tuck pushing thru the water....just easiest to carry a wheelie doing stream crossings.

Leo 01-22-2014 03:18 PM

at least, look funny

Leo 01-22-2014 07:28 PM

I like this kind of trail...

http://youtu.be/GFero9goWz8

thumperflipper 01-22-2014 08:26 PM

I picked up a very old beta 250 for super cheap about 6 months ago, play with it in the back 40, can putt around 1/2 mile per hour. Couple of basic trials skills I learned so far on the Techno: one, keep my balance at a standstill, and two, really use rebound to lighten the front end to cross logs and start wheelies. Suprisingly, those skills IMMEDIATELY transferred to my enduro bike. Suddenly I was riding very technical terrain smoother, smarter, and much more relaxed on the enduro bike.
Of course you are standing all the time on the trials bike, so now standing all the time on the enduro bike is no big deal. So not just great cross training, but great for conditioning. Your throttle and clutch control also become very precise. You just thought your timing was good before.

If anyone is trying to decide whether to buy another enduro bike, my recomm is keep your gasser and buy a trials bike.

sevenfourate 01-23-2014 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thumperflipper (Post 126857)
I picked up a very old beta 250 for super cheap about 6 months ago, play with it in the back 40, can putt around 1/2 mile per hour. Couple of basic trials skills I learned so far on the Techno: one, keep my balance at a standstill, and two, really use rebound to lighten the front end to cross logs and start wheelies. Suprisingly, those skills IMMEDIATELY transferred to my enduro bike. Suddenly I was riding very technical terrain smoother, smarter, and much more relaxed on the enduro bike.
Of course you are standing all the time on the trials bike, so now standing all the time on the enduro bike is no big deal. So not just great cross training, but great for conditioning. Your throttle and clutch control also become very precise. You just thought your timing was good before.

If anyone is trying to decide whether to buy another enduro bike, my recomm is keep your gasser and buy a trials bike.


Exactly what i wanted to hear. Thanks !

GasGasDreamer 01-23-2014 11:51 AM

^^+1

My skills jumped dramatically just from loading it into the truck when I bought it. They are that good.

Boom Boom 01-23-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GasGasDreamer (Post 126898)
^^+1

My skills jumped dramatically just from loading it into the truck when I bought it. They are that good.

LMAO.....I liked that.
FYI, I have had trials bikes for over 35 years.
I must be buying the wrong brand, I have loaded many bikes and my skill level still sucks.

Leo 02-02-2014 06:59 PM

That's what this tread resulted

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...o/DSC01118.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...o/DSC01119.JPG

Coop 02-03-2014 07:43 AM

Congrats! Good looking Sherco.

Leo 02-24-2014 03:36 PM

Thanks!

4th ride

http://youtu.be/SCBiAo1sRWg

ACR Tom 02-24-2014 06:17 PM

Dude now you just have to ride it at least once a week ! That is the rule of trials , ride it where there are no trails as much as possible . Just a few little setups in your back yard are all you really need :D So now the next thing to get is someone to ride with . See if you can find someone near by that is a little better than you . :cool: I ride 70% trials now because my health issues will not let me ride hare scambles type stuff . If you get to eastern Pa lets do some trials riding !!!!;)

Davegas 04-26-2014 02:28 AM

Thinking about trial
 
I was the same get one I did and have never looked back they are so versatile and great fun.

Leo 04-29-2014 04:15 PM

First competition.

http://youtu.be/WvpzPaOwGXA

This bikes are really incredible. You can learn a lot with that. My riding skills on enduro bikes have increased so much.

Caravan Monster 05-02-2014 10:39 AM

:eek: that's a bit full on with the commentator and crowd. In the UK, club trials are on natural obstacles and you get a break between each section. Well done Leo, that must have been difficult to concentrate on riding with all that noise and people.

Leo 05-02-2014 12:57 PM

Yes, indoor trials is a bit different. They try to do it more appealing to public.

Leo 08-23-2014 07:58 AM

Some paint work and I got a "new" bike.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...o/CAM00017.jpg

Leo 10-06-2014 09:52 PM

nice ride uphill

http://youtu.be/iwqP_WKJsww

Lotus54 11-29-2015 09:55 AM

I ride a trials bike most of the time.
I almost never use the seat, unless messed up or tired and on a road.
I ride it all day, and have learned a LOT.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps41d23ace.jpg

One is to not grip the bike, but keep feet further out. On the pegs and let the bike move. Balance.

Leo 11-29-2015 04:32 PM

It's been a while from when I've made this post.

So, this is my ney ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...16429732_o.jpg

And the gasgas enduro has gone


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