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Squish adjustment
Hello All,
I'm right now spending some time to improve the visual and performance of my EC (it's originally a 2005 250 but converted into 300 a few years ago). So I've reached the point of modifying the head to get a better combustion and easy jetting. I have access to a Lathe and some machining skills, so I will be doing the squish adjustment by myself. My current squish is around 2,4 mm which is quite normal for these bikes according to what I've seen in many posts here. We have down here in Brazil 20% ethanol in all our gasolines, both in regular or premium. The premium one should be around 98 octanes (or 95 anti detonation index) and is the gas I probably will be using most of the time. Following my doubt: - Is it necessary to go into 1,2 mm squish to get the benefits ? Or if I adjust it for ~ 1,6 mm for instance I will see real benefits ??? I ask because I will not be able to machining the combustion chamber, only the "face" of the head, and I'm a little bit afraid that reducing to 1,2 mm will bring the compression ratio to a dangerous borderline. I'm using only one gasket of 0,5 mm on the cylinder and don't want to touch this point now. I would appreciate all your comments !!!
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'05 GAS GAS EC 250 '15 KTM EXC 350 F '16 BMW R 1200 GS '83 Honda CB 400 |
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If you can cc the chamber and confirm the volume I can crunch some numbers and work out the uncorrected compression ratio for you. I just went through this with another member in Australia on a 2011 SD300. At 1.3mm squish and the combustion chamber volume (stock) of 25.4cc the trapped volume is 24cc which gives an uncorrected compression ratio of 13.25:1
His originally had a 2.3mm squish band and was 11.5:1 so gained a nice healthy boost to bottom end. Tightening the squish band a little will show improvements over stock. Obviously tighter is better though up until the point that the piston and head start to make contact. |
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Jakobi,
Unfortunatelly I cannot CC rhe chamber right now. Assuming the stock volume and imagining that I reduce the squish band to 1,6 mm, is it possible for you to estimate the future compression ratio ?
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'05 GAS GAS EC 250 '15 KTM EXC 350 F '16 BMW R 1200 GS '83 Honda CB 400 |
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No worries mate.
Combustion Chamber Volume = 25.4cc 1.6mm Squish band/Deck height volume = 6.52cc Piston Dome Height = 3.3mm, Diameter 72mm, Volume estimated 6.74cc Trapped Volume = (Combustion Chamber + Deck Height Volume) - Piston Dome Volume = (25.4 + 6.52) - 6.74 = 25.18cc UCCR = (Trapped + Cylinder Volume) / Trapped = (25.18 + 293) / 25.18 = 12.64:1 In saying all this it would only take an extra couple of minutes to actually cc the complete trapped volume on the bike if you were going to pull the cylinder. If you are just doing the head you could also easily cc the chamber volume to confirm its 25.4cc. Last edited by Jakobi; 06-05-2012 at 01:30 AM. |
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Note that all the above is based on you doing this to the 300 cylinder and head. If you were going to do the 250 the figures change.
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Hi, Jakobi.
Thanks a lot for taking your time for such a calculation. I've machined the head today and mesured the new squish. It's now 1,65 mm. For sure the compression increased (because I didn't reshaped the combustion chamber) but I hope withnin the limit. Considering that I'll be using premium pump fuel and that our gas has a mix of 20% ethanol, I don't think higher compression should be an issue... As soon as I ride the bike, I'll post the results...
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'05 GAS GAS EC 250 '15 KTM EXC 350 F '16 BMW R 1200 GS '83 Honda CB 400 |
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i've done 1.2 without adjustment of head - compression goes up significantly... i had to play with timing and run 112 octane to make it run right/never ping. i don't think i would recommend it unless you can get and run 112 always (and jet for it). 1.6 squish runs on 92 or better (i run 50/50 92/112) and have not had any problems with stock timing. i have run straight 92 at 1.6 and had no problems, but i'm jetted for race mix, so it wasn't optimal. you will feel a significant difference in hp, power delivery, and fuel economy at 1.6. it makes a big difference on ease of jetting also...... very worthwhile...
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Good info Stainless. One thing to note with all of this is that I am basing it on the volume of the head I cc'd and an estimate of the piston dome volume (using a spherical calc based on dome height I measured). I should take the time to cc the piston dome volume for the 2 pistons that I have laying around.
A piston with a larger dome, or if the dome is a few cc larger than my estimate, it'll also push the compression ratio. A couple of cc can make a significant difference. |
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Guys,
Today I've finished the job... The squish now is exactly at 1,6 mm (on the outside border of the squish band and reaching 2,00 mm on the inside border). The jetting is now as follow: 175 Main 42 Pilot CCK Needle @ 3rd slot Slider #7 Air screw 1 3/4 out I haven't had the opportunity to ride on the trails, just gone up and down on the pavement. But the difference in performance is noticeable !!! But I've the impression that the engine is working now hotter than in the past... Maybe just a impression... Does it make sense ? (my previous jetting was N1EF @ 2, 178 MJ, 42 PJ ...)
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'05 GAS GAS EC 250 '15 KTM EXC 350 F '16 BMW R 1200 GS '83 Honda CB 400 |
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You've changed the jetting and the new settings are much leaner. Will run hotter and probably better as well. Ideally you'd run the bike with the same jetting to grasp the difference with less variables.
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