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I will be re-checking the jetting after the rebuild and also the reeds have changed slightly c/f not plastic and also I was going to run 40:1 (maybe even 35:1) instead of 50:1... BUT I've already been through the process and with the previous engine build I needed 35p 9 slide N1EF 2nd clip down from top and 178 main in order for her to pull cleanly from low throttle openings so I can't see that changing much - this does mean she runs hotter, I use non-water based coolant already and don't have a problem boiling but there was some evidence of a partial seize (cylinder was fine though) and detonation around the edge of the piston so it's running too hot - it runs hottest with multiple runs at muddy hills I am failing to get up, so little flow over the rads and 0-1/2 throttle opening hence I was thinking a fan would help here. If the alternative is runing richer and having misfires/blubbery running/not pulling cleanly I'll sell it and buy a 250 4 stroke (sadly not a GG) however I believe I can make this work, after all the last piston lasted 3 years quite a bit with this jetting or occasionally leaner (1 clip leaner on the needle). I could consider a LTR impeller but I think the heat is getting through to the rads OK but I will inspect it again to check - of course here we have to import them but maybe it would help but I feel a fan would have a much bigger impact. Other thoughts are a RB style (again I'm in the UK) head mod which some people report improves the jetting/ease of jetting but don't know if it will help in the fashion I need.
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Here you go.....check this out. One for the radiator and engine jug.
http://www.procircuit.com/store/pc/v...idcategory=547
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You may be lean in an attempt to make the bike run 4-stroke clean off the bottom. Perhaps some additional jetting experimentation will help. RB head mod would be best. Try to dial it in a bit richer.
Like what was said, the LTR impellar is excellent, and you can get in-line alloy finned coolers for the coolant lines (shouldn't be neccessary though). |
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To be honest it's about as rich as possible to still run clean though I can re-validate this... Wouldn't a rad fan allow me to keep this jetting and stay cool....
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How many other guys here need fans to keep their clean running bikes cool? Its just not right. If its that hard to jet clean enough then there is a problem. The head mod would be my first choice, providing all else is in order with the motor.
BTW, a 250F is a hell of a lot more boil prone than a 2-stroke GG in tough conditions with the same coolant. The GG is about the most boil resistamt bike out there. |
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I would concur with GMP, as a whole GasGas motorcycles do not run hot unless there is a problem with the original OEM design.
The head mod and carb mod would give you the cleanest throttle response you can hope for. After that and if you still want to lower the operating temperature, or if you are on a budget, I would upgrade to the alloy impeller, and install inline radiator coolers. The radiator coolers give the cooling system 5 to 15 degree (fahrenheit) of relief. The 5 degrees relief is under normal operating conditions while the 15 degrees of relief is under extreme (hot) conditions. Next step would be the 1.4mb radiator cap from your local GasGas of KTM dealer. I'm not a big fan (no pun intended) of this as I believe the 1.2mb radiator cap tells me when something is wrong and the bike is running hot. I've been riding GasGas motorcycles of 10 years and I have rarely had a radiator cap overheat other than on a four stroke when it was greatly abused in the a mud race. In my opinion the most important thing about these fixes is they basically use "dumb" technology meaning once they are installed they don't need any upkeep and basically can't be damaged like a fan kit can. The only reason I would even consider a fan kit is if you are doing a lot of commuting on paved roads and you are prone to getting stuck in congested traffic even than I would start with the simpler technology fixes like the inline radiator coolers, alloy impeller and 1.4mb radiator cap. Good Luck
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I overheated my 300 yesterday a couple of times in 75 degree weather. Of course an xr400 locked up from overheating on the same trail...........
I'm going to either add a PC fan or look into the KTM fan. I've overheated a Montesa trials bike on the same trail before in hot weather and it had a fan.
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