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Old 12-27-2014, 09:43 PM
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Default Make a GG 200 as torquey as a KTM 200. Possible?

Is it possible to tune a GG 200 to make it as torquey as a 200 XCW off the bottom?

Between the Wife and I we have had multiple KTM and GG 200s in the fleet but I always thought her GG 200 was 'flat' off of the bottom while my orange 200 was always pretty torquey.

Can one make the GG 200 have the low-end torque a XCW does?

Looking to buy a new 200 and really want the GG handling however I really want some low-end as well (I'm a trials rider at heart).


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Maybe a little jetting work and a flywheel weight


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Well, it should be fairly easy to get the low end grunt up since it already has a longer stroke than the KTM.

I would concentrate on two cheap mods, ignition timing and jetting. Try advancing it a bit and see how it feels. Keep advancing until the loss of top end is too much for your liking and then retard it just enough to get it back. Then proceed on to getting the jetting spot on. Between the two you can really wake it up and tune it more to your riding style. After that things start costing some money. Adding a fww, intake/exhaust spacers, a new exhaust pipe tuned for more low end, RB head and carb mods, Vforce reed setup, gear ratio change, and having the cylinder ported.
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Well, it should be fairly easy to get the low end grunt up since it already has a longer stroke than the KTM.

I would concentrate on two cheap mods, ignition timing and jetting. Try advancing it a bit and see how it feels. Keep advancing until the loss of top end is too much for your liking and then retard it just enough to get it back. Then proceed on to getting the jetting spot on. Between the two you can really wake it up and tune it more to your riding style. After that things start costing some money. Adding a fww, intake/exhaust spacers, a new exhaust pipe tuned for more low end, RB head and carb mods, Vforce reed setup, gear ratio change, and having the cylinder ported.

Had not heard of tweaking ignition timing. Hmmm

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husley, please disclose year of bike,hours,mod's,and type of ignition??
I would correct squish and properly jet the 200,add a checkpoint pv cover
and leave off the fww. What silencer are you using?
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Head mod and LTR needle woke my 02 up heaps. Moving the ign didn't do anything helpful on the dyno.
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I've owned 2 Gasgas 200's and 3 KTM 200's. The KTM just plain has a stronger motor. The Gasgas just plain handles better. Both great bikes and both have advantages and disadvantages. Like I mentioned in the thread above, my sons '99 EC200 has a nice strong motor. Even after changing out the 2k3 for the 2k2 on my '03 the '99 is stronger. With identical jetting, gearing, etc. I've narrowed it down to the pipe. Unfortunately FMF does not make that pipe any longer.
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I've owned 2 Gasgas 200's and 3 KTM 200's. The KTM just plain has a stronger motor. The Gasgas just plain handles better. Both great bikes and both have advantages and disadvantages. Like I mentioned in the thread above, my sons '99 EC200 has a nice strong motor. Even after changing out the 2k3 for the 2k2 on my '03 the '99 is stronger. With identical jetting, gearing, etc. I've narrowed it down to the pipe. Unfortunately FMF does not make that pipe any longer.
A DEP system did it on my WR250
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Moving the ign didn't do anything helpful on the dyno.
Yep, it won't change the overall power at all. It only changes where that power is delivered.
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