gasgas v beta

[nambo-trev]

That is rediculous, I don't care what anyone says about the bike "not feeling heavy" that is a ton of weight that will surely be felt in some way shape or form. My buddies 08 450 berg felt very light and nimble too but not after a 5 or 6 hour ride with that extra 50 pounds.

[twowheels]

Originally Posted by john01

Mr. Beane....what say you on the comparo? BTW is the Beta really 30 lbs lighter than a GG?

I haven't ridden Armin's WB165, but I find no reason to dispute what else he said

[Coop]

What about the Beta makes it so light?

[nambo-trev]

Die cast cases and cylinder for sure, says it uses lighter swing arm as well but don't know where the other weight saving are. Likely added up in small amounts all over the place

[swazi_matt]

Originally Posted by nambo-trev

That is rediculous, I don't care what anyone says about the bike "not feeling heavy" that is a ton of weight that will surely be felt in some way shape or form. My buddies 08 450 berg felt very light and nimble too but not after a 5 or 6 hour ride with that extra 50 pounds.

after the third time you have to pick it up on the down side of an off-camber on the side of the mountain in Lesotho you decide to either buy a new lighter bike or stop riding like a nancy and commit!

[arminhammer]

Originally Posted by twowheels

I haven't ridden Armin's WB165, but I find no reason to dispute what else he said

You are welcome to ride it anytime you like.

[Moto7man]

Originally Posted by arminhammer

John I weighed my wife's 11 EC250 and my Beta on the same scale and came up with 29lb difference. No fuel in any of the bikes and rad guards on the Gasgas.
What surprised me most is that the Beta was only about 10lbs more than my husky wr165.

If that is accurate, that is a HUGE difference!What were the total weights? Did you have a metal bash plate on the 2011 Gasser? Besides the die cast engine construction, I don't see where Beta could save that much more weight. If you save 10IBS from the engine, where else can they save that much weight, around 19 IBS, over the gasser without having future reliability problems with the engine and chassis? This post got me interested so this is what I found so far.

1. Per MXA, the Husky 144 weighs 206.8 pounds.

2. Per American Beta, the Beta 300 weighs 223 pounds.http://www.americanbeta.com/node/801
Per Enduro 360, the Beta 300 weighs 236 pounds dry.http://www.enduro360.com/2012/09/20/...ions-us-model/

3. Per Dirt Bike Magazine, the 2013 Beta 250 weighs 237 pounds without fuel.http://www.dirtbikemagazine.com/ME2/...BFFFD579C22118

4. Also, per Dirt Bike Magazine the 2012 GasGas XC 300 weighs 245 pounds without fuel. http://www.dirtbikemagazine.com/ME2/...1D418F84F1939A

[arminhammer]

Not sure how accurate my scale is but this is what I got.
http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=14800

[M357.5]

I just wish I was a good enough rider to care lol. Really my 2011 Gasser is so much more competent than I, it seems silly all this bickering over " The Koolaid " weather it be GasGas, Beta, KTM, Husky, Sherco or any other brand.

I can honestly say I love my Gasser, and I know 100% that more time on the bike and maybe an off road training course will help my skills far more than jumping ship to taste the new flavour of " Koolaid "
But then again, on that note I'd probably be better off on an old XR250 as well.

I do however find it interesting how others view new competition, some seem to embrace it and others seem to make excuses not to embrace it.

Hell if I cared what others thought I woulda just bought a KTM and blended in lol....blended into the trees that is, as I crash often

Oh, when is that training course.....

[Coop]

My XR650L is 350+. I rode it and then jumped on the EC250 and it felt as light as my trials bike . So to me the GG is plenty light haha.

I do think guys get to hung up on numbers. A few weeks ago I read a thread where a guy based his decision on GG or KTM solely on manufacturer supplied weight numbers.