New Cervantes 450R and Gillaume 250/300R

[Vindicator]

Originally Posted by GMP

Just what we all need, another 450F. The 450Fs best days are behind it. I really hope that someone with some business sense an GG realizes this. Like it or not, the Yamaha motor makes sense, solid bike with minimal investment. Its a lot more advanced than the GG FSR motor, and the FSR worked pretty well for what it was. To hell with new 4stroke development, put the resources into the DI 2stroke engines and be one of the first with a true cutting edge design. It doesn't really matter what you or I like as individuals, collectively the big 4strokes aren't making it in sales lately from what I see here. Is it different in Europe?

4ST sales in Europe also went down as opposite to 2ST. I think it's the reflection of the lower maintenance costs and also the extreme enduro races as the newest trend . I think the only reason why GG needs a thumper is to really be competitive in WEC. They cannot afford to be dependent on Yamaha or any other brand. The only way for a smoker to beat them is to take advantage of a misfortune of the 4ST. Nambotim is doing a great job but we all know Knight's criticisms towards its 500.
I also think GG should be the leading company on the 2ST development, the investments in this technology is much cheaper than the cost of building a 4St especially because it already exists, just needs to be molded for this specific need.
Take a look at KTM, they developed a 350 engine that so far is only competitive on the hands of an Italian genius but I seriously doubt this will have a great impact in sales. To capitalize all the development they have planted it on the enduro models, freeride, duke and possibly they will even make an Adventure 350 . I don't think GG will sell as many as KTM...
Husaberg used to be "4 Stroke Power" , I see GG as "2 STROKE Power"

[GMP]

A 300 DI 2stroke, done right, will make power that will make everyone forget all about the 450F. This is the future and should be the focus. It seems that the WEC is the top priority for GG and drives their designs. The cartridge filter disaster and now talk of a new 450. Again, is it that important to sales in Europe? Sales worldwide? What do you guys think?

[Die Tante T.]

I think a ttx chassis in combination with a WR450 Yam. Engine can?t be wrong. The production of the Cervantes will start in CW 25

[Elvis74]

I think the bigges problem will be the price , here in Germany they sell the 450F for more than 10K and nobody will buy a Yamaha for 2000,- euro more than the stock Yamaha.
GasGas should bring the standard 450F very soon. How much of the Nambotin have they sold? It was about 300 world wide?!
No company can survive by selling only a few bikes and the image of GasGas 4strokes will not change by selling a couple of Yamahas, especially when they go back to an own motor.
I love the GasGas 2strokes and I will stay with them!

[Die Tante T.]

Originally Posted by Elvis74

I think the bigges problem will be the price , here in Germany they sell the 450F for more than 10K and nobody will buy a Yamaha for 2000,- euro more than the stock Yamaha.
GasGas should bring the standard 450F very soon. How much of the Nambotin have they sold? It was about 300 world wide?!
No company can survive by selling only a few bikes and the image of GasGas 4strokes will not change by selling a couple of Yamahas, especially when they go back to an own motor.
I love the GasGas 2strokes and I will stay with them!

I will also stay with the 2 strokes, but sometimes I?ll need something different . The Nambo was limited to 200 units (official). I like the GG?s and to get a Yamaha 450 , I have to buy a GG because my favourite dealer "only" deals with Husky,GG an Sherco

[Bandit9]

A plated 13 GG w/WR 450 motor Zoke CC/Ohlins would be a bike I would buy as soon as I sold my two WR450's.

How much is shipping from UK?

[T.Low]

Wonder why they dropped my model? I love my motor and all my 450 and 550 buds are afraid to wheelie up next to it.

[Todd5774]

Originally Posted by Bandit9

A plated 13 GG w/WR 450 motor Zoke CC/Ohlins would be a bike I would buy as soon as I sold my two WR450's.

How much is shipping from UK?

When I looked at shipping my bike out to the states then it was working out at around ?800 gbp, not sure if you would then have to add import taxes on to that?

[Die Tante T.]

120kg..appr. 264 lbs with fuel...let?s see what this bike is able to do.

[desertgasser300]

Originally Posted by Vindicator

Take a look at KTM, they developed a 350 engine that so far is only competitive on the hands of an Italian genius but I seriously doubt this will have a great impact in sales. To capitalize all the development they have planted it on the enduro models, freeride, duke and possibly they will even make an Adventure 350 . I don't think GG will sell as many as KTM...
Husaberg used to be "4 Stroke Power" , I see GG as "2 STROKE Power"

Funny you mention that about the KTM 350. I have been trying to find this interview I saw with Taddy B. The interviewer asked him if he liked the 350 4st motor. He paused a second before he responded then said, "If I don't make a mistake it's a nice motor". I would really love to know how he really felt about it?