45mm shivers no adjustments??

[bergerhag]

I have been messing with my suspension settings to the extent of it almost driving me insane...

First, check that you dont have a flat front tire(or too low air pressure). This will make the bike feel like the forks are broken.

Second, have you been moving your clickers on rear shock? This can also mess things up very bad.

good luck

[moto9]

Originally Posted by darren

Thanks for the reply.

I just cant understand why it was fine before but not now?

Which part of the stack is the H/S? I think there is only about 5 shims on the rebound side.

I dont think there is a bleed shim on the rebound.

There is on the compression i will have to post up the shim stacks tomorrow.

darren

So , the forks were fine before you worked on them?
If so...then I would assume something was not assembled right, and/or damaged, as mentioned, a seal etc.
In that case the only way to check would be to disassemble the fork and do a complete inspection.

But I do know from my own experience the 08 Marz 45's had a too soft rebound stack, even for the stock spring...again IMHO

[darren]

Originally Posted by bergerhag

I have been messing with my suspension settings to the extent of it almost driving me insane...

First, check that you dont have a flat front tire(or too low air pressure). This will make the bike feel like the forks are broken.

Second, have you been moving your clickers on rear shock? This can also mess things up very bad.

good luck

I know what you mean with the messin around.

Tire pressure is 14psi

the rear shock is set to stock settings and has not been touched.

[darren]

Originally Posted by moto9

So , the forks were fine before you worked on them?
If so...then I would assume something was not assembled right, and/or damaged, as mentioned, a seal etc.
In that case the only way to check would be to disassemble the fork and do a complete inspection.

But I do know from my own experience the 08 Marz 45's had a too soft rebound stack, even for the stock spring...again IMHO

The reason i stripped them was because i had no change to the fork characteristics when i adjusted the clickers.

I think it has been a progressive thing that i had not noticed untill recently.

For a year now i have not touched the suspension settings. Every thing was set up to standard settings, static sag. race sag. Clickers front and rear.

What i was trying to say in my first post is that when i first got the forks stripped and cleaned re assembled. All the clickers made noticable difference when adjusted fully in and out. Just by pushing down on the bars and releasing the rebound would be noticably slower and compression noticably harder.

From then i left the clickers alone as it felt spot on.

[bergerhag]

Originally Posted by darren

I wondered if the rebound piston seal/bush maybe was worn and allowing oil to pass around it instead of through it. But would that also affect the compression?

sorry for not reading your post thoroughly. Yes a worn inner tube seal would affect compression too. That is the piston that drives the suspension fluid through the compression valve/shim stack. If it fails, both circuits will degrade

[darren]

Originally Posted by bergerhag

sorry for not reading your post thoroughly. Yes a worn inner tube seal would affect compression too. That is the piston that drives the suspension fluid through the compression valve/shim stack. If it fails, both circuits will degrade

Thanks bergerhag

I am glad you said that i just got off the phone to GasGas.
I have ordered two Piston rings for the rebound piston and also two o-rings for the compression piston.

Hopefully i will receive these tommorow and update once i have a result.

[nick790]

Originally Posted by nick790

Bad oil?
Rebound piston seal?

Hope it sorts the problem, let us know

[darren]

Originally Posted by nick790

Hope it sorts the problem, let us know

Credit to you to nick. I will keep you updated.

darren

[darren]

I know its a little off the original thread i may also post this as a new thread, i have listed my shim stacks below just to see what response is received, and mabe i can make some adjustments accordingly while the forks receive the new rebound piston ring.

Some of the shim sizes seem a little odd compared to others i have seen posted see what you think.

I am 76kg + kit
Average clubman not worried about comfort just speed and stability.

NOTE i have done nothing with the shim stacks.


Rebound

Spring
15x0.3
15x0.2
15x0.3
22x0.3
11x0.2
Piston
21x0.1
19x0.1
17x0.1
15x0.1


Compression

Spring
22x0.3
Piston
11x0.2
22x0.12
11x0.2
20x0.12
19x0.1
11x0.1
18x0.1
17x0.1
16x0.16
15x0.2
12x.12

As i said some of the shims are odd (0.12)

Reading other posts on the site i thought mabe pulling the comp piston bleed shim 11x0.2 and also the first on the check valve (11x.02)
I cant be too radical as i only have the shims listed to play with.

[nick790]

Originally Posted by darren

I know its a little off the original thread i may also post this as a new thread, i have listed my shim stacks below just to see what response is received, and mabe i can make some adjustments accordingly while the forks receive the new rebound piston ring.

Some of the shim sizes seem a little odd compared to others i have seen posted see what you think.

I am 76kg + kit
Average clubman not worried about comfort just speed and stability.

NOTE i have done nothing with the shim stacks.


Rebound

Spring
15x0.3
15x0.2
15x0.3
22x0.3
11x0.2
Piston
21x0.1
19x0.1
17x0.1
15x0.1


Compression

Spring
22x0.3
Piston
11x0.2
22x0.12
11x0.2
20x0.12
19x0.1
11x0.1
18x0.1
17x0.1
16x0.16
15x0.2
12x.12

As i said some of the shims are odd (0.12)

Reading other posts on the site i thought mabe pulling the comp piston bleed shim 11x0.2 and also the first on the check valve (11x.02)
I cant be too radical as i only have the shims listed to play with.

Looks like the standard set up to me, I think making the changes you mentioned would be a good start.

Out of interest, how much were the seals from GGUK?