How About A EC200 ????

[GMP]

The 300 is absolutely a bigger bore 250. 72mm x 72mm vs 64mm x 72mm. All that is neede to convert a 250 is a cyl/head /piston, even the PV parts are the same and drop in the 300 cyl. The 200 is different with different crank/trans/cases/top ends although they look the same from the outside.

[john01]

Good info GMP, thanks for sharing. I was wondering how the weights could be so different between the 200 and 250/300's. This helps explain some of the weight.

[GMP]

The differential weight from the 250 might be close (a few lbs max) but the absolute weights are like any other mfg. specified weight. No way is it lighter than a 125 based KTM200, by my showroom lift test method, FWIW. What matters is how it feels on the trail and anything with less power and inertia will feel lighter than its bigger brothers. I don't sweat the numbers, its a GG that means it handles second to none.

[blanc]

Hi

I have just bought a 2010 EC200. It is a fab bike, it feels lighter than my old crf250 and a little heavier than my buddies KTM 150 SX, think of a stable 125. It does not feel in anyway like a 250 two stroke

[hannesd]

get the 200!
i have a 300 on the side but switched to the 200 since it makes me feel better because i can handle the power better, you don't have to be so carefull on the throtlle when maneuvring thrue the woods.
it's so much less tiring and it just feels lighter.
i weigh about 80-85kg geared up and the 200 has enough to please me

hannes.

[theboogieman]

The 300 is a great bike, but I've just jumped from one to a 2010 250f
and Couldn't be happier.
The 250f has an almost electric power delivery, changes direction like a fly and will pull from nothing to as eye watering as YOU want it go.

In the real world it is only 6kg heavier than the 300 (mine measured together)
So unless you are super fit jockey that weighs less than a photograph of yourself, you wont feel it on the move.

And best of all is the magic button
(granted, if you go for a 12/13 you can have that on the 2t's as well)
Top trials riders maybe able to kick start their bikes whilst perched in the middle of a billy goats picnic table, but I wouldn't have a bike without it.

Although sadly it has just occured to me as I typed the above that I read somewhere that you 'good ole boys' (and girls, apologies gasgasbird) arn't getting the Yammy engined bike over that side of the pond??

[GMP]

No 250Fs for us. I seriously would have condidered one if they were brought here in the race configuration and any specific spares were not a problem. Competitive pricing was also a big issue. I agree on the estart for 4 strokes, a must have. They are also much better integrated into the engine design not an external add on. I've ridden Yamaha 250Fs and like them, and they are very reliable especially if ridden in the woods and kept off the rev limiter. The YZs are much lighter but no estart, and no EFI. EFI takes away a lot of the hot start hassles, from what I've seen on the Kawasakis and Hondas.

[chinesegav]

i just bought one as my 1st ever and its good fun so far and its not too down on the 250/300 as i can easly keep up on the drit with the other lads and the set up on my bike is very easy going

[Beta Steve]

I ride lots of tight woods, and as an experienced trials rider when I say the tighter, the better, I mean it. Interestingly enough, I find the 300 less tiring to ride. Much more useable power, especially when tired...

[Mo.man]

As far as lights , the 11's had a headlight and the 12's have a headlight and taillight/brakelight,
I ride a 07 200 with 2011 plastics, I weigh 180ish and I like the power, good low end but it can still rip on top. Don't know about dual sporting it, I usually ride tighter woods.