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Old 06-07-2016, 06:56 PM
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Try the 45 pilot if you like.

I doubt you've bypassed the circuit, but you can always back the idle down to where the slide is all but shut and start tuning from there if you're unsure.


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Old 06-08-2016, 12:12 AM
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Hmm, maybe I was screw in too much idle screw and I was forced to rich up mixture by closing air screw.
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Old 06-16-2016, 01:22 AM
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My small expirience; needle clip position really changes the behaviour of the midrange.
needle raised makes it more useful for controllable torque buildup from lower rews, but it has problem overreving, especially on fatter main jet.

needle lowered makes it perfect for track use, as it hits in mid and pulls through top.

I too have problem in idle circuit, which is overly rich, no matter the jet, tested 42 to 35 currently.
Still have to compensate with idle screw almost fully in to idle, and air screw doesn't really affect the idle, except when fully closed, engine stalls.

I've completely rebuilt the bike and checked every similar issues, that riders had, like float level, possible leakages, float lever wear, reeds, but problem persists.

Only thing I havent tested yet, is leaner carb slide and bigger straight portion needle.

What is N3xx series diameter 2.695, 2.705 or more?
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Old 06-16-2016, 02:10 AM
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If you already have #7 slide,I don't think that is the problem,80% of the same bike like yours have the same slide. So not all the bikes suffer from rich behavior. Anyway leaner slide seams to help a lot,cleaning the pilot part and giving more responsive throttle action.

In my case,the problem was accelerating quickly from ~1/2-wot, in that area I have a hesitation. Now I put bigger pilot 45(was 42) witch make some difference,idle more stabile. In this weekend I will see if the bigger pilot helps to resolve the middle range. I also removed the reed spacer,to rev quicker.
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Old 06-16-2016, 11:22 AM
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I usually ride 1 to 2 gears higer than other guys, as motor is quite turquey and have more elasticity to rev up.
I f I go to lower gears, it is too explosive.

i like idea of fixing main jet first, then correcting needle, and then pilot jet.
This is copy/paste from yamaha xjr1300 forums


Follow steps in order....First, dial in:

1. Top end (full throttle / 7.5k to redline - Best Main Jet be selected before starting step 2!
Select Best Main Jet
To get the best, most even top end power (full throttle/after 7500 rpm), select the main jet that produces the highest top speed / pulls hardest at high rpm.
If the bike pulls harder at high rpm when cold and less hard when fully warmed up, the main jet is too large. Install a smaller main jet and retest until you find the main jet that pulls the hardest at high rpm when fully warmed up. This must be done first - before moving on to the other tuning ranges.
If the bike doesn't pull well at high rpm when cold and gets only slightly better when fully warmed up, the main jet is too small.
In order to properly tune the midrange and low rpm carburetion, THE MAIN JET MUST FIRST BE PROPERLY SELECTED after 10 to 15 minutes of hard use!
Do not pay too much attention to the low-end richness when you are changing main jets - you still need to be using the main jets that produce the best power at high rpm. You will deal with the low-end / cruise later - after step 2.

2. Midrange (full throttle /5k-7k)
Select best needle clip position
To get the best power at full throttle / 5k-7k rpm, after you have already selected the best main jet,
If the engine pulls better on a full throttle roll-on starting at <3k, when cool but soft when at full operating temperature, it is too rich in the midrange and the needle should be lowered.
If the engine pulls better when fully warmed up but still not great between 5k-7k, try raising the needle to richen 5k-7k.
If the engine pulls equally well between 5k-7k when cooler as compared to fully warmed up, the needle height is probably properly set.
Do not pay too much attention to the low-end richness when you are changing needle clip positions - you still need to be using the clip position that produces the best full throttle / 5k-7k power in conjunction with the main jets that produce the best power at high rpm. You will deal with the low-end / cruise next.

3. Low end (full throttle / 2k-3k)
Float height (AKA fuel level & how to..)
To get best low-end power, set float height (fuel level) so that the engine will accept full throttle, without missing or stumbling, in 2nd gear from 2.5k to 3k rpm at minimum.
Float heights, unless otherwise specified in the installation guide, are measured from the "gasket surface" of the carb body to the highest part of the top of the float - with the float tang touching but not compressing the float valve spring.
If the engine has a "wet" rhythmic, soggy area at full throttle / 3k-4k rpm, that gets worse as the engine heats up, lower the fuel level by resetting the float height 1mm greater (if the original was 13mm - go to 14mm). This will lower the fuel level, making full throttle / 2k-3k rpm leaner.
If the engine is "dry" and flat between 2k to 3k rpm, raise the fuel level.
Example: change float height from 15mm to 14mm to richen up that area.
REMEMBER, since the main jet WILL affect low speed operation, the MAIN JET has to be within 1 or 2 sizes of correct before
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Update 45 pilot: so first thing,bike will idle in all situations,cold super hot,after a wot. Very nice idle,very linear and consistent. But is too rich,if I use 1,2 gear at low rpm will load up,and is a bit more lazy.
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Update 45 pilot: so first thing,bike will idle in all situations,cold super hot,after a wot. Very nice idle,very linear and consistent. But is too rich,if I use 1,2 gear at low rpm will load up,and is a bit more lazy.
You can use the 45 pilot jet if you adjust or change the jet needle to a bit leaner to accommodate the change. I use a 42, but when I am going slow, working trail, etc, when it is really hot weather (95F+), the idle will eventually start to slow as the engine gets hotter.
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