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^ This bike right here ^ Exactly what you want (need? ). I have ridden an older KTM 200, and it was peaky and twitchy compared to my (dearly departed) 2011 EC300. Comparing the CRF230F to either the KTM 200 or a GG250/300 is comparing apples to elephants. The 2011 GG chassis was allegedly the Premiere" configuration, but the earlier versions don't feel that much different (to me). My 2001 300 was pretty similar to my 2011 300, except the engine had different characteristics (E start on the 2011 and flywheel as well as carb and pipe were different between the two). Riding my new-to-me Husqvarna WR125 (with the 165 kit) feels so similar to the 2011 GG, that I would say that yes, the pre-2012 GG250/300 chassis is similar to a 125 in ergonomics, and it's pretty similar to the early KTM 200. So regardless as far as sizing, there is nothing really between them. But buy the 2015 250 posted above. You will NOT go wrong or have buyer's remorse.
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Man, I'm only 5'8" and never felt my '05 250 was too tall or heavy. I ride a lot of flowy trails but also some hike-a-bike stuff and never noticed the weight being a problem. Of course, I did come off a KDX200, and those are just as heavy, but it felt much heavier than the Gasser even when dead lifting it. I assume that has to do with how the weight is carried much lower on the GG than the top heavy KDX. Having e-start on a 2T is nice but it's not nearly the necessity as with a 4T.
YMMV and IMO!
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Thanks for the help guys. This is exactly what I was hoping for.
One question left unanswered: how's the reliability of the e-start? I've seen a few complaints in old threads about some of the earlier e-start models, but it looked like something that could be fixed with some shimming or something. I haven't seen anything like the complaints about KTM e-starts, so that's definitely a good thing. Quote:
E-start is a LIFESAVER in a situation like that. Quote:
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And no need to worry about putting down the Honda! Haha. Because of the low seat height, E-start, very mellow power, and overall small size, I don't think there's a better bike on the planet for someone to learn how to ride offroad on. With just a tiny bit of investment into the suspension, it really is an excellent entry level bike. And then, after learning the basics, it's still a great bike to really start to learn more advanced skills on. Because it's so underpowered, and because even a fully reworked suspension is still only 3/4 the size of a proper suspension, you're practically forced to become very proficient with the clutch, and carry more momentum into corners / hills, and be smarter when it comes to picking lines. In the end, I 100% believe that spending a couple years on this bike has made me a MUCH better rider than I would be if I would have started out on some sort of full size, 50 horsepower enduro bike. But, all of that said, I ABSOLUTELY recognize that it has it's limitations. I used to be one of those guys that said it could do anything that any other bike out there could do. Then, I raced it a few times, including in an extreme enduro, and I realized that no matter how easy it might be to ride, it's not capable of doing the things a proper enduro bike can do. So that's why I'm here, looking for something to replace it. Something to address it's deficiencies, without giving up too many of the things that make it an extremely easy bike to ride. Quote:
I saw that bike, and I'm keeping it in the back of my mind. But, I'm also actively talking with a member about another one that's posted for sale. Will keep y'all updated on what pans out. |
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I really don't see why the e-start is a factor in your decision. The GasGas or two stroke will light off pretty easy and the situation of stuck on a hill is rare in comparison to the extra weight of an e-start.
The Gas Gas motor is great for enduro riding and the jetting is not as finicky as the KTM's. |
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Compared to kicking a hot 4t,a 2t is a walk in the park.Also bumpstarts easier.In very awkward spot you can hop off and roll the kicker with your left foot.Often a halfkick is all you need if youre wedged in deep.Id say the button is very useful on a 4t,but for the most part unnecessary weight/complexity on a 2t (except for a second or twos time saving restarting from a stall/drop in a race situation)
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A good riding buddy of mine has a KDX, and it's definitely a little tractor. I've ridden it some, and overall liked it a lot. My biggest complaint was exactly what you just mentioned: even though it actually isn't any heavier than my 230, it felt as heavy while riding it as my XR4 does. It definitely didn't lend its hand to flicking around on a tight trail. So it's good to hear that the GG is better in that aspect, even if the actual weight is comparable. Quote:
I really need to post up my video from just last weekend that PERFECTLY illustrates why I want the button. When you're 99 yards up a 100 yard extremely steep and technical hill climb, with the bike stalled and turned sideways, and you on the uphill side trying to drag it the last 3 feet up. THAT is when the button is the difference between 10 more easy seconds and being up the hill, or having to go back down to try again, which may take 1 or 5 or 10 more tries to make. You're completely right that 99%+ of the time, it doesn't make a difference. And me being fortunate enough to be healthy, kicking it over is no problem. But for that <1% of the time that it's just not possible, it potentially makes a HUGE difference. |
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While I haven't ridden everywhere, I have been around quite a bit. To me, Brushy Mtn is the best place to ride east of the Mississippi River. I've made the 800 mile trip from south Arkansas to Brushy several times, and have never regretted the trip. It's got everything from wide open fire roads to gnarly mountain single track. One note, though: when it's wet, those red clay hills are super slick on the fire roads, especially the downhills. Do yourself a favor and check out Brush as soon as you get a chance. http://bmmspark.com/ Good Riding! Jim .
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To address your questions and insert my opinions, I'll try to answer you questions as they are grouped above. The e-start needs an inexpensive ($50 for the part) mod to make it work great and be extremely reliable. There is a thread on the forum and linked youtube vids that will make it easy for you. - The seat foam is available from Guts Racing in three configurations; low, standard, and tall. I am 6' tall, with a 32" inseam, and I use the "tall medium" foam. The taller foam makes it easier (more leverage for my knees) to get my butt off the seat and stand on the pegs. I can touch the balls of both feet at the same time on both the 2006 and the 2011. The Guts foam is also available in three densities; soft, standard, and hard. The stock GasGas seat foam feels hard, but lets you feel what's under it too soon during a ride. If the bike is still taller than you like, you can have a 7/8" spacer added inside the shock and a 2" spacer inside the forks to take 2" off the travel, while keeping 90-95% of the suspension performance. I did this to a bike for my grandson when he was riding the '00 XC200 I fixed up for him. It is also reversible when you want more. (Just have the spacers removed.) - The 200, 250, and 300 are all the same size, and will weigh close to the same (within 6#). Don't get hung up on the peak power figures in the literature. I have always told people that: 1. The 300 is the lazy rider's mount. It has so much low end torque that you don't have to wring it out. Just short shift it and lug up the hills. 2. The 250 is the racer's bike. It needs a little more throttle to do what the 300 will do, but the engine feels a bit "more flexible" and revs up and down with less "fuss". You short shift and lug it also, and it is very smooth, but it doesn't give you more than you ask for when you get excited. 3. The 200 is smooth, and revs up and down with little top end torque effect; but you will need to add revs to get to the big power in the sweet spot. It has decent low end power, but doesn't have the bottom end (low revs) torque that the KTM 200s have. The good news is that it loves to rev and the power will not "sign off" and go flat like the KTM does at higher rpms. My youngest son regularly leaves me when riding his XC200. - I love Brushy Mtn. It's my favorite riding place east of the Mississippi River. Good Riding to You! Jim .
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Loved my 200.
But then had a ride on a mates 300. Didn't want to give it back. The 250 was too motorcrossy for my level of skill. The 300 is probably a lazy riders bike. But it's perfect for me. Just did 99km some of it quite technical. And Brrraaap up the hills. Went looking for my Forget the whales save the 2 stroke Tshirt last night Must be somewhere.
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