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GG vs. '08 KTM
Here is a link to a thread on KTMTalk where pobit (Dave) also a member here rates the new '08 KTMs against his previous '06 GasGas. Dave tells it like it is with no bias. Perhaps he'll comment here as well, just thought you guys would like to read this.
http://ktmtalk.com/index.php?showtopic=243157&st=0 |
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You can't read it unless you register with the evil empire!
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Sorry, here it is:
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Thank you for posting this. It was an excellent post. I tend to agree with the suspension comments too. My brother in law has an '07 XCW 250, and I have logged some time on it. We are similar in size and ability, and my Ohlins suspension is far better than his. I also don't like the chassis nearly as well as the Gasser.
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Mike Sheetz OMRA #21AA What will I be riding next? Christini GG 300? '15 KTM 300 XC-W '08 EC 250 (Gone to new happy owner) Gran Prix Cycle LTR Suspension RB-Designs |
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I thought it was good too. Dave is a good tester, understands and knows what he's talking about. His testing has helped me improve my own bike's setup and performance.
I rode an '06 250XCW and it was terrible. Even my buddy's LTR valved 300EXC feels like crap compared to mine. I cannot understand what people honestly see in those bikes that makes them think they are superior. Even the dated but proven Husky WR250 design feels better. IMO, as well as that of some respected tuners, until KTM gets their thumb out of their a**, admits defeat, and goes back to linkage, the GG will always be ahead. Having worked for a company of that culture for several years, I doubt it will happen soon. They will not even go back to a screw on gas cap! Dispite the distributor issue, a well set up '07 GG is the bomb. |
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I agree with the Husky sentiments as well. As a former KTM and Husky rider, I think the Husky is a lot better. I've ridden an '07 125WR and liked it a lot. The Gas Gas still overall is a better, more planted and comfortable package.
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Mike Sheetz OMRA #21AA What will I be riding next? Christini GG 300? '15 KTM 300 XC-W '08 EC 250 (Gone to new happy owner) Gran Prix Cycle LTR Suspension RB-Designs |
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The comments above on aluminum bodied versus steel bodied shocks doesn't sound right to me...
Steel body fades less and also doesn't foul oil as quickly. The sachs and top quality ohlins have alloy steel shock bodies for a reason... jeff |
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All else being equal, I would think that the alloy shock would dissipate heat more quickly, thereby keeping the oil cooler. Durability on the otherhand, would have to go to the steel shock. Perhaps its not as big an issue on a conventional shock, vs a PDS.
I'd still take the steel shock, on a GG of course. |
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I understand the reasoning - but the real issue is with expansion of the shock body - coefficient of expansion of aluminum is much greater than alloy steel - it expands much more allowing blow-by at the piston ring when the shock gets hot. We used to replace our aluminum shock bodies with steel (on old XRs) to avoid this.
My opinion, KTM went to an aluminum shock body to drop weight and cut costs - if it had a problem with shock fade with a steel bodied shock - it isn't going to get better... There is a reason why the higher end ohlins (gold series) and sachs shocks (oem gasgas) come with steel bodies... jeff |
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In the end, I don't want a "fast bike" I want a bike that is easy to go fast but works well going slow over rocks. I want a bike that doesn't tire me out and has me making corrections because the back end doesn't behave well and the front end deflects. My Houston-GG test ride is just nine days away. Rick |
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