Rieju & GasGas Legacy Riders Club Forum  

Go Back   Rieju & GasGas Legacy Riders Club Forum > GasGas Enduro Technical Forums > Enduro Electrical & Wiring

Enduro Electrical & Wiring Lighting, Ignition, Wiring, Plugs, etc.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 04-02-2015, 02:34 PM
rubber Jonny rubber Jonny is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: England
Posts: 208
Default

Mine is direct to frame no paint or powder in the way. Also had it earthed to metal bench no change. Its not bad earth.

My electrics are standard no mods. Stator has never been changed.


Reply With Quote


  #22  
Old 04-02-2015, 03:31 PM
Jakobi's Avatar
Jakobi Jakobi is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 7,994
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rubber Jonny View Post
Mine is direct to frame no paint or powder in the way. Also had it earthed to metal bench no change. Its not bad earth.

My electrics are standard no mods. Stator has never been changed.
Same same and same.

I have a feeling my 2010 model always did the same thing too. Always had inconsistancy with the trail tech speedo resetting itself which continued even after replacing the unit many hours on. I suspected it was the speedo unit, but never checked the voltage.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 04-02-2015, 05:11 PM
Neil E. Neil E. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gormley, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,418
Default

I don't know what to offer at this point. Maybe the next step is to put in an aftermarket full wave rectifier and unground all of the lighting. The stator, CDI and coil remain grounded as normal. The old regulator is removed.

Input to the new reg/rect is yellow and ground. Output from the reg/rect is DC on red and blue wires. Red is used as positive and goes to the headlight switch. From there power goes to the headlight as normal.

The original ground wires at the headlight and tail light are disconnected and moved to the new blue wire. This means the lighting is not frame/chassis grounded. It only gets DC negative via the reg/rect blue wire (we are isolating/floating the reg/rect output by doing this).

The tail light can be connected to the new red all the time. The brake light switch will be connected to the new red wire and the switch output will be connected to the brake light filament.

No battery is needed. If a battery is added, then white and ground can power the reg/rect so the voltage is a bit higher and will charge the battery.
Just to recap, the stator has three connections: engine/frame ground plus yellow OR white wire. Yellow = most of the windings, white = all of the windings.
__________________
2011 EC250E
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 04-02-2015, 05:46 PM
Jakobi's Avatar
Jakobi Jakobi is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 7,994
Default

Woah. I'll need to read that a few times.. my electrical knowledge is pretty below average.

Is there any chance this could be a stator issue?
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 04-02-2015, 06:23 PM
Neil E. Neil E. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gormley, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,418
Default

I doubt it. Going back to basics, the flywheel has permanent magnets and it revolves around the stator windings. This produces current in the windings and we get our electrical power. The stator windings can go bad and output suffers or they can go "open" and we have no output.

The stator only delivers power directly proportional to RPM. The higher the RPM the higher the voltage. The whole issue centers around controlling the voltage which brings us right back to the regulator.

Maybe it's time to try a regulator from a different brand of 2T motorcycle and see what happens (Leonelli quality problem maybe).
__________________
2011 EC250E
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 04-03-2015, 01:13 AM
rubber Jonny rubber Jonny is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: England
Posts: 208
Default

Neil i hqve a trailtech regulator it makes no difference. the dc conversion is a solution I have considered but its a bit beyond my knowledge to come up with a wiring diagram. I have considered making a standard style temporary loom to rule out the standard loom being faulty. What's your opinion on that please?
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 04-03-2015, 09:54 AM
Neil E. Neil E. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gormley, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,418
Default

Johnny, that is a good plan, however I don't know how the loom itself can cause the issues. For the work involved it's probably easier to convert the lighting to DC. I'll make a simple diagram for Jake so he can see what I'm driving at.
__________________
2011 EC250E
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 04-03-2015, 11:30 AM
Neil E. Neil E. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gormley, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,418
Default

You would have to trace out the wires to confirm the actual stock colours and connection points, but this is the gist of what's going on. Note that in the battery setup you would need a main toggle to turn off power to the lights (or they would be on all the time).
Attached Images
File Type: jpg GG wiring.jpg (81.3 KB, 29 views)
__________________
2011 EC250E
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 04-03-2015, 11:37 AM
Neil E. Neil E. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gormley, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,418
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rubber Jonny View Post
Neil I have a trailtech regulator it makes no difference.
The only way I could see a loom issue would be if the white wire was making contact with the yellow wire. Even then the voltage would not be that much higher. At the very worst it would be 25% more but the regultor should still handle it.
__________________
2011 EC250E
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 04-03-2015, 12:02 PM
Neil E. Neil E. is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Gormley, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1,418
Default

The wiring changes might not be as much work as you think. It's more a matter of separating out the ground wires and having only the ground wires for the lighting connected to the blue wire.
__________________
2011 EC250E
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
gasgasman's 2015 250R ride report gasgasman Ride Reports 7 04-02-2015 08:40 AM
Honda DI 250r for 2015! nambo-trev All Other Bikes... 3 04-01-2014 07:31 PM
Countershaft/Sprocket seal leaking on '12 250R Novascotiarider Enduro Engine - 2 stroke 14 04-19-2013 05:00 PM
'12 250R is in the house GMP General Discussions & Announcements 66 07-03-2012 11:55 AM
Gas Gas 300 Quad. Will 250r radiator fit? skoolball23 Other GasGas Bikes/Quads 2 04-26-2011 08:15 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2009 - GasGasRider.org