18's sure look to have the right parts.

[Adrian200xc]

Originally Posted by Getoviq95

2018 gas gas looking really good ,but exc250/300 2018 is on another level .Ktm present the new Era in hard enduro.For gasgas will be really hard to survive in this copetative market ,but i wish'em luck .One of the key of success is better marketing and more dealerships around the world .

I see your point but there are still a lot of people who don't want fuel injection. 4stroke or 2stroke. Also I have a feeling those bikes will be expensive. Are they going to sell if they cost as much as a street legal 4 stroke?

[hadfield4wd]

Originally Posted by arminhammer

How so?

By adding FI? This just adds weight and complexity to to something that works fine already and can be field repaired with min tools. I see very little advantage to FI on off road bikes 4 or 2 stroke.

FI is being done not for performance or simplicity or weight savings. Its being done to meet Euro 4 and Euro 5 standards in Europe. Without FI 2 strokes would go away by 2020.

[CDN Rick]

Originally Posted by Getoviq95

2018 gas gas looking really good ,but exc250/300 2018 is on another level .Ktm present the new Era in hard enduro.For gasgas will be really hard to survive in this copetative market ,but i wish'em luck .One of the key of success is better marketing and more dealerships around the world .

FI on a 2 stroke IMO is an unnecessary complication. While I can see the advantages of a cleaner burn for better fuel efficiency and a consistent idle speed I cannot justify the added cost or complexity for a trail bike. I'm sure the only reason KTM is releasing this is to meet the coming EURO5 specs.

I think Sherco is wise to have finished their R&D but not release an FI bike. I'm glad GasGas is not releasing an FI bike yet either. I'm sure it is under development for 2020. But I plan on buying a new GasGas instead of a KTM specifically because it isn't FI among other reasons.

[hamilton]

Glad FI was brought up, wasn't even thinking of it.
No way do I want 2t FI bike in the early years.
I see so many emission problems at work, don't want any parts of it.
Looks like a new 18/19 for me.

[Getoviq95]

exc 300 2018 is 103kg ,3kg over than 2017 ,but 2 kg down than new Gasgas.
-low fuel consumption
-no pre mix fuel
-80:1 fuel/oil ratio vs 50:1 for Gasgas
-no jettings
-doesn't matter on what elevation do you ride ,the engine runs always with the same power
-No flooding when flipping over the bike
-the price will be 1000$ over than Gasgas ,but Ktm have a dealer in every country ,and the parts come on a next day .Plus more aftermarket and second hand parts .And Ktm is easy to reselling .

The choice will be difficult !I still loving Gasgas ,they have something special/something magical in their bikes ,but i also like the inovations of new ktm .The inovations rotate the world !

[SpirosZ1000]

Fi just adds complexity price and parts.I do like my bike running clean and flawlessly but I strongly believe that this type of bikes should have stayed simple.That said all other brands including GG meet euro 4 with carbs, why not Ktm group?

[Getoviq95]

Originally Posted by SpirosZ1000

Fi just adds complexity price and parts.I do like my bike running clean and flawlessly but I strongly believe that this type of bikes should have stayed simple.That said all other brands including GG meet euro 4 with carbs, why not Ktm group?

In 2020 come euro 5 ,and then the carburetors will not be able to cover it .The ktm want to be first with TPi ,in this 2 years they'll improve their 2-stroke injections .The other brands will wait until the last moment ,because they don't have solution yet .Before 10 years everybody said ,that fuel injection on 4 stroke motocrosser are hard to maintence and very complicated ,but now Fi is a standart for 4 strokes.

[CDN Rick]

Originally Posted by Getoviq95

exc 300 2018 is 103kg ,3kg over than 2017 ,but 2 kg down than new Gasgas.
-low fuel consumption AWESOME!
-no pre mix fuel Kinda Cool. Not a big deal to most.
-80:1 fuel/oil ratio vs 50:1 for Gasgas Negligible cost
-no jettings No way to repair or diagnose damaged system on side of trail.
-doesn't matter on what elevation do you ride ,the engine runs always with the same power No way to repair or diagnose damaged system on side of trail.
-No flooding when flipping over the bike AWESOME!
-the price will be 1000$ over than Gasgas ,but Ktm have a dealer in every country ,and the parts come on a next day .Plus more aftermarket and second hand parts .And Ktm is easy to reselling. Positives cancel out the negatives. GasGas parts are easy to get from any competent dealer.

The choice will be difficult !I still loving Gasgas ,they have something special/something magical in their bikes ,but i also like the inovations of new ktm .The inovations rotate the world !

Remember there is more to think about than just the sum of the parts. KTM is still using their WP Suspension. GasGas is onto KYB. In many peoples opinion the Gassers handle better, higher quality parts, and better build quality. I'm not saying which bike you should buy. I'm just saying I know which one I'll be buying. (Hint: It's not orange)

[Tech51]

I'd say for all you KTM haters is if it wasn't for them we'd all be riding MX and spending money to get it to work in the woods with kick starts + all GG's, Beta's, Sherco's and so on would still (most likely) be an exotic. I hear things why like a KTM when you can love a GG's, I have a 13 300xc and love it + it does everything I want it to do and more and I beat the crapp out of every weekend. And you all can say KTM's QC suck's I'd like to see GG, Beta and Sherco put out as many bike a year as KTM does with no problems. Jap bikes have their problems too and with that being said I will be getting a GG XC300 and hope to love it and beat the crap out of it.

[stabak]

Really how many fi bikes you know failed on a trail and had to be repaired? Technology needed or not will always give the edge in a competitive market