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Old 12-17-2016, 11:40 AM
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Default EC250F vs EC250 Cami

Hi all,

I?m looking for a replacement for my Honda CRF230F and a considering a circa. 2014 Gasser.

As I?m relatively short (5ft 6?) and light, a bike that has a lower seat height and is relatively light is a definite bonus for me.

Initially the Cami seemed ideal for me, but I do get nervous about the Chinese made engine (from what I can tell it is made by a company called Zongshen). Are there any UK based Cami owners on the forum - have you ever needed to order any engine parts and did you experience any difficulties in getting them?

Then I started to look at the EC250F. Again it looked good as it has a Yamaha WR250F engine in it, but it seems that it has slightly longer forks and shocks which takes the seat height to 960mm ? making it one of the tallest greenlaners on the market. However it is much lighter at 108kg.

Any feedback of the Cami vs the EC250F is much appreciated.

One last question; am I right in thinking that the frame, plastics, auxiliaries etc are likely to be the same across the 2014 4s range?

Thanks in advance for any replies.
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Old 12-18-2016, 09:36 AM
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I'd go with the EC250F
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Old 12-18-2016, 10:14 AM
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Rather than the Cami you might want to take a close look at the AJP bikes from Portugal. I talked to a former GasGas owner who has one and he loves it.
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Old 12-21-2016, 03:50 AM
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Thanks for the replies.

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Interesting dilemma, comparing one dead horse to another.

EC250F and Cami are both non-supported bikes now
but if forced to pick between those 2, I would go with EC250F simply because of the Yamaha engine. Yes its tall, but that is easily fixed. But with Cami, while shorter, its heavy, underpowered and under suspended.

The jury is still out on AJP long term durability. They're tall, and rather cobby looking when you get up close but...listening to their riders, they really like the bikes. Like Gasser, I have a buddy down in TN who bought one and loves it...for what it is.

Overall, if I were looking for a semi-serious 4 stroke that was going to be used at a C class level and value price between the 3 listed? It would be AJP, but...why not consider an EC two stroke model? It can be lowered, power mellowed out some and still have plenty of power on tap. Keep in mind, I', 5'6 too and once the sag is properly set...I have no problems other than not having the guts to pull the throttle back far enough
Can you explain what you mean by "non-supported" bikes now. Do you mean that the bikes are no longer made? But I'm assuming that you can still get parts for them? Engines, forks n shocks apart, the rest of the bike(s) look interchangeable with other GG 4s. Is that not the case?

Yeah, I've already had a look at an AJP, like you I came to the conclusion that they were tall and the build quality didn't seem up to the standard of a Gasser.

If I went down the route of a low seat height, mellow 2 stroke I think that I just plump for the ready made version - a KTM 250R Freeride :-)
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Old 12-21-2016, 04:08 AM
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Thanks for the replies.

Can you explain what you mean by "non-supported" bikes now. Do you mean that the bikes are no longer made? But I'm assuming that you can still get parts for them? Engines, forks n shocks apart, the rest of the bike(s) look interchangeable with other GG 4s. Is that not the case?
Correct, none of these bikes are made now. But that shouldn't keep you off buying them (at least not the EC250F). While I don't know the Cami (I have never seen one here in my part of the world), the EC250F is, for all practical purposes, a standard Yamaha engine in a standard Gasgas chassis. Getting parts for either should be no problem. Gasgas did change some small details around the Yamaha engine (adding a hydraulic clutch and removing the dry sump oil tank), but that shouldn't make any problems parts-wise.
In your case, I would go with the 250F.
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Old 12-21-2016, 05:06 AM
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That's why GasGas need a EC200 2T.
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That's why GasGas need a EC200 2T.
+1 I'm with Leo
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Old 12-23-2016, 09:09 AM
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Thanks all for the replies.

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Correct, none of these bikes are made now. But that shouldn't keep you off buying them (at least not the EC250F). While I don't know the Cami (I have never seen one here in my part of the world), the EC250F is, for all practical purposes, a standard Yamaha engine in a standard Gasgas chassis. Getting parts for either should be no problem. Gasgas did change some small details around the Yamaha engine (adding a hydraulic clutch and removing the dry sump oil tank), but that shouldn't make any problems parts-wise.
In your case, I would go with the 250F.
I don?t think that there are many Cami?s in the UK either (just 68 according to the ?how many left? website). I?ve done a bit more research on the Cami and it seems that the shock is a ?R16V? (made by Olle) and used in an assortment of trials bikes including GasGas and Sherco?s. Interesting the shock is also used on a Beta XTrainer. I find it shocking (if you excuse the pun) that a bike that sells for 5500GBP uses the suspension from a trials bike.

The EC250F started to look like a much better proposition, until I looked up and found that there were only circa. 15 sold in the UK! So Im now back to the point where I have concerns over the availability of parts and the ability to resale etc

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The KTM Freeride is a weird apple I.M.H.O. The bike is very tall relative to its length(due to way too much ground clearence), no engine power valve, and way too expensive. The Beta Xtrainer is a much better all around bike for most trail riders (freeride is closer to a trials bike).
Having sat on one (abet not ridden one), I wouldn?t say that they are like a ? modern ? trials bike, but I get where your coming from as they are somewhat different in comparison to other green laners on the market. I?m still to decide if they are too expensive or it is the case that other modern greenlaners i.e. Cami, EC250F, XTrainer etc are cheaper because they depreciate too quickly!
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Thanks for the replies.




If I went down the route of a low seat height, mellow 2 stroke I think that I just plump for the ready made version - a KTM 250R Freeride :-)
The KTM Freeride is a weird apple I.M.H.O. The bike is very tall relative to its length(due to way too much ground clearence), no engine power valve, and way too expensive. The Beta Xtrainer is a much better all around bike for most trail riders (freeride is closer to a trials bike).
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(freeride is closer to a trials bike).
Disagree. Freeride is close to nothing. Sherco Xride is close to a trials and is a blast to ride.
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