NEDW needle - Where do i start?

[Timbre]

I have just purchased a NEDW needle to try in my 2011 GG EC 300. I have been having a substantial amount of "drool" with my current jetting, though the bike does seem to run very well. Typically on a 50 mile ride, the drool will go the entire length of my silencer and drip off at the bottom. I dont think this is acceptable. A little bit, i can deal with, but this is way too much...?

I am wanting to know a good place to start with jetting on this new NEDW needle in my bike . . . based on the following specs.

2011 EC 300
36 mm Keihin carb
#7 slide
Riding altitude 3,000 ft to 7,000 ft (in Idaho)

USING NOW
N2ZW needle clip #2
35 pilot
170 main
A/S 2.5 turns out

WANTING TO USE
NEDW needle
Based on the above specs, where should i start?

Thanks much!

Cheers!

[twowheels]

Originally Posted by Timbre

I have just purchased a NEDW needle to try in my 2011 GG EC 300. I have been having a substantial amount of "drool" with my current jetting, though the bike does seem to run very well. Typically on a 50 mile ride, the drool will go the entire length of my silencer and drip off at the bottom. I dont think this is acceptable. A little bit, i can deal with, but this is way too much...?

I am wanting to know a good place to start with jetting on this new NEDW needle in my bike . . . based on the following specs.

2011 EC 300
36 mm Keihin carb
#7 slide
Riding altitude 3,000 ft to 7,000 ft (in Idaho)

USING NOW
N2ZW needle clip #2
35 pilot
170 main
A/S 2.5 turns out

WANTING TO USE
NEDW needle
Based on the above specs, where should i start?

Thanks much!

Cheers!

That might be the kicker - most if not almost all of the 2011s had 38mm carbs. You should be getting a stronger signal though, so you may be able to go leaner than what is posted. Check Jakobi's posts for the definitive NEDW tuning guide.

[MJC]

For that bike and those altitudes, I think you would have been better off with an NEDJ or even a NECJ #3, 40 pilot and 172 main. What is the weather like for you at this time of year?

For the NEDW I would start on the #2 clip with a 40 pilot and a 172 main.Depending on the weather.

[Jakobi]

With MJC on this one again too after my own experiences with the needles. I'd be hitting up the NEDJ#2 with the pilot and main that match. 38P for a 36mm carb. Maybe 165/168 on the main? I'd start with a 172 and work down for sure though.

I know you can't really compare ktms and ggs, but in saying that the 300excs here in Australia are using the 36mm carbs with a 38P NECJ#3 162 at sea level temps between 20C and 30C.

My final testing brought me in with 40 NEDJ#2 172 on the 38mm carb but I run at 300-1000M in high humidity and mid 20 to mid 30C.

Middle clip isn't a bad place to start and you'll soon know which way to move.

[noobi]

What premix are you using? That probably has as much effect on spooge as jetting.

[swazi_matt]

Ok so with me running a 38 carb on my 2010 300 in altitudes between 500-1900m (mostly 600-1200m) I should also start with the nedj needle?

Looking more for bottom end performance don't mind if I'm the slowest on the road so long as I get to chill at the top of climbs and watch others sweat;-)

[MJC]

Originally Posted by swazi_matt

Ok so with me running a 38 carb on my 2010 300 in altitudes between 500-1900m (mostly 600-1200m) I should also start with the nedj needle?-)

Yes, If I were you I would start with the J Needle.

[Jakobi]

Originally Posted by swazi_matt

Ok so with me running a 38 carb on my 2010 300 in altitudes between 500-1900m (mostly 600-1200m) I should also start with the nedj needle?

Looking more for bottom end performance don't mind if I'm the slowest on the road so long as I get to chill at the top of climbs and watch others sweat;-)

Matt,

Considering we have basically run the same thing across our bikes since day one. Similar conditions both in temp and elevation I'd say you'll be pretty close on with 40 NEDJ 172/170. Start big and drop if you need to.

I'm basing this off you running 38 N3EH/N3CH#2 175/712.

When you talk in terms of bottom end performance I would say the NEDJ is a lack of bottom end performance. Its got no snap to it like the N3 range does. Its smooth and torquey though and very forgiving to throttle input. IE point the bike where you want to go, open the throttle and let it take you there. Need to lift the front end? open it some more, maybe flick the clutch.

I find myself running in the higher revs when it opens up to keep the bike in the meat of the power, and love how docile and smooth it becomes when things get slow and nasty. It works for riding smooth and fast for longer periods of time.

[MJC]

Originally Posted by Jakobi

Matt,

Considering we have basically run the same thing across our bikes since day one. Similar conditions both in temp and elevation I'd say you'll be pretty close on with 40 NEDJ 172/170. Start big and drop if you need to.

I'm basing this off you running 38 N3EH/N3CH#2 175/712.

When you talk in terms of bottom end performance I would say the NEDJ is a lack of bottom end performance. Its got no snap to it like the N3 range does. Its smooth and torquey though and very forgiving to throttle input. IE point the bike where you want to go, open the throttle and let it take you there. Need to lift the front end? open it some more, maybe flick the clutch.

I find myself running in the higher revs when it opens up to keep the bike in the meat of the power, and love how docile and smooth it becomes when things get slow and nasty. It works for riding smooth and fast for longer periods of time.

Think of it this way.

N3ej= Motocross type response and power throughout the range.

NEDJ= smooth/torquey type power with a nice topend.

I don't think either needle produces anymore actual power or torque than the other. It's just how they go about producing the power that makes them both good,but different.

[Timbre]

Originally Posted by noobi

What premix are you using? That probably has as much effect on spooge as jetting.

I am using premix of 40:1. Also using 91 octane non-ethanol gas.