2011 six days fork fixed (kinda)

[Tlineman]

Originally Posted by CACTUSREID

commenting on the short comings of your bikes suspension,makes some people here very angry. there have been enough riders on here in the recent past trying to figure their suspenders out, that -me thinks a bunch of bike were delivered with less than ideal stuff.

Its definitely not my intent to anger anyone but the fact of the matter is forums and websites like this only exist because people like myself try to improve upon what they have, be it susp, jetting, etc. I didn't join this site or buy a GG to irritate anyone. If we all wrote about how much we loved our bikes and didn't bring up areas that we felt as a group / or as individuals that could be improved upon, then a site like this wouldn't last. If a fellow GG owner doesn't like me or another member discussing our frustration or unhappiness with one aspect of a bike, then don't read the thread. I've been riding bikes for a lot of years now, all different brands. Every manufacturer has its quirks, or issues. None are exempt.

I'm a member here for the sole reason of trying to learn from my fellow GG riders, be it good or bad and to make my bike the best it can possibly be. Plain and simple.

[AZRickD]

I think this thread is critically important. Both to Gas Gas in Spain, GG-OR-US, and current and future GG owners.

[mrkartoom]

I think the concern is when negativity turns into or borders on brand bashing that concern is raised. I saw one instance of that here where the mods stepped in and took action. I can understand this as forums like this are meant to support owners and promote the brands. GG is smaller/more exotic and things stand out more here than say KTMTalk. While it's fine to discuss problem areas and negative points no one wants to discourage new owners coming into the fold or turn people off to the brand. I'm relatively new here and there could be instances I'm not aware of, but I think this was the issue with the one I saw.

[motogroove]

Originally Posted by mrkartoom

I think the concern is when negativity turns into or borders on brand bashing that concern is raised. I saw one instance of that here where the mods stepped in and took action. I can understand this as forums like this are meant to support owners and promote the brands. GG is smaller/more exotic and things stand out more here than say KTMTalk. While it's fine to discuss problem areas and negative points no one wants to discourage new owners coming into the fold or turn people off to the brand. I'm relatively new here and there could be instances I'm not aware of, but I think this was the issue with the one I saw.

Certainly, there's a fine line to be observed.
I think that if there's any brand taking a bashing in this instance, it is Marzocchi. The burden is on them to deliver quality to GG. I doubt very much that Marzocchi sold the contract to GG with forks that suffered the above problems. GG picked them in good faith as a better fork than what came before. They are free to pick a better fork in the future too.

Are these forks used on other brands, and do they suffer the same problems?

Since many riders accept that a revalve is job one on any new bike, maybe the thrust of this thread should go towards listing the tuners who have this fork figured out already.

I never had any complaints with my WP forks. But, I'm a mid-pack C rider,so what do I know?

-Dean
2001 xc300

[stainlesscycle]

Originally Posted by Tlineman

Is there much to playing with these shim stacks?

yes, it can get quite complex. the problem is you really need a baseline to know which way to go. you can spend a lot of time guessing. before any shims are changed, proper springs need to be in there. or else you're just wasting time. for the amount of potential aggravation, i just send mine out. i'm a competent mechanic, have never had to take a bike to another shop to get fixed (and i've owned well over 400 bikes...), there are just some things you may want to leave to the specialists...... granted, mine are old school (wp 43) that many have already done all the trial and error on. so they are relatively simple - i could have done it myself, but i really wanted someone who works on them everyday to revalve.....experience is everything in suspension tuning.

[AZRickD]

This talk of "don't bash" and "walking a fine line" can quickly lead to a chilling effect where people with good information don't post because they consider the likelihood of pushback from members, dealers and importers to be too high to risk the fallout.

How many other GG owners have paid a tuner to go through their components, found flaws, found a cure, but don't post because they just don't want the aggravation?

Frankly, I think Marzocchi, GGUS, GGSpain and various US dealers would wisely consider getting Matt's (and others) tuner's phone number and get the inside scoop. This would be followed up with a nice packet of discount coupons to various eateries within the Metropolitan Phoenix area.

[motogroove]

Originally Posted by AZRickD

This talk of "don't bash" and "walking a fine line" can quickly lead to a chilling effect where people with good information don't post because they consider the likelihood of pushback from members, dealers and importers to be too high to risk the fallout.

How many other GG owners have paid a tuner to go through their components, found flaws, found a cure, but don't post because they just don't want the aggravation?

Frankly, I think Marzocchi, GGUS, GGSpain and various US dealers would wisely consider getting Matt's (and others) tuner's phone number and get the inside scoop. This would be followed up with a nice packet of discount coupons to various eateries within the Metropolitan Phoenix area.

You are correct on all three points.

[gasser]

Originally Posted by motogroove

Certainly, there's a fine line to be observed.
I think that if there's any brand taking a bashing in this instance, it is Marzocchi. The burden is on them to deliver quality to GG. I doubt very much that Marzocchi sold the contract to GG with forks that suffered the above problems. GG picked them in good faith as a better fork than what came before. They are free to pick a better fork in the future too.

Many parts of Europe are going through hard times now with people getting laid off and companies scaling down to stay in business.That being said you can expect changes in quality control for companies in that position. It seems from what I've read on this forum that QC may have gone down some for Marzocchi and AJP. This should be a temporary thing and if not I'm sure GasGAS will find other suppliers. I'm not worried because every issue that I've had with my bike has been happily taken care for free even as long as a year after the warranty ran out. Keep in mind that that all Euro bikes, not just GasGas will be having problems with suppliers and I suspect the Japs will too after the devastation caused by the earth quakes and floods.

[lankydoug]

I figured that unless you're 5'10" and 150lbs you are pretty much guaranteed to have to re-spring and re-valve your suspension (on any brand) if you want it really sweet. I accept that I will ride it long enough to break it in and when it's time for it's first oil change either send it off or do it yourself if you are capable. Posts like these will help anyone who wants to do it their self. IMO if it's true it's not bashing.

[thumperrider1]

I am extremely happy with my zokes and ohlins after my tuner got my suspension revalved and sprung. I'm 148lbs with no gear and ended up using 4.0 fronts and 5.0 rear. The revalve turned out great. Smoothed out the trail trash and hitting gnarly stuff at speed is no problem. No more harsh spots, no more deflection. I'm liking it more and more as I get time on the bike.

Very happy with my Gasser so far. The only things I'd like to see changed are better quality footpegs that don't break as easy, a little longer shifter, and oil fill plug at the clutch cover.