Are pre 2012 bikes overweight too??

[nknudsen]

With all the talk about the "heavy" 2012 and newer bikes. Are our old steeds (2011 and older) porky too?

[john01]

I had a 2010 300 and it felt heavier than a 300 KTM and I'm sure it was but ....IMO it was way more stable and turned tons better. Steve (twowheels) may have some actual weights if you want to send him a PM.

[nknudsen]

I was just curious on people thoughts. I might put mine on my brothers car scales here in the future to find out. What ever it is I still love the bike!

[andoman]

Please do and let us know!

I came off an 08 KTM 300XCW and a '10 KTM 300XC. I'm on an '11 GG 300 6-days. No doubt the gasser is heavier. At least 10 lbs. Probably closer to 15. 20 lbs. heavier wouldn't surprise me. The castings are heavier and the frame just looks heavier.

Here's my comparisons otherwise:
-The Gasser tranny is spaced better than either KTM. The tall first on the XC and too low first on the W drove me crazy.
-The KTM's are a higher quality build.
-The Gasser feels lighter in motion, turns MUCH better, has a more stable and planted feel everywhere and leaves me less fatigued in a long ride.
-I'm faster on the GG.
-The suspension was better out of the box on the KTM's. A moot point because at 140 lbs. and 53 years of age, the first thing I do is send off the suspension on any bike for re-spring and re-valve.
The most moot point is that the lower seat height of the GG puts all the KTM's on the "don't even consider" list.
FWIW, the new Gassers are on the same list...
I thought I could see myself on a new Beta in the future. But my GG is so dialed in and works so well that until there is a MAJOR breakthrough in 2T technology, I'll be staying right where I'm at.

[Jakobi]

I'm sure I weighed my kick only model (2010) with a tank of fuel maybe.. at around 115kg. Its no featherweight and felt when lifting. Whats that around 250lbs.

[andoman]

Originally Posted by Jakobi

I'm sure I weighed my kick only model (2010) with a tank of fuel maybe.. at around 115kg. Its no featherweight and felt when lifting. Whats that around 250lbs.

253 lbs. Minus the 17 lbs. of fuel gives a dry wt. of 236.
If you had bark busters, skid plate, and heavy duty tubes there's a few more lbs. Heavier than the competition, but not by much.

[Jakobi]

http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/sho...ighlight=weigh

Heres the thread

[bowhunter007]

The only things I own that I've never weighed...are dirtbikes. I'm convinced some extra weight is good, as per the "planted feel".

[gasser]

Originally Posted by andoman

253 lbs. Minus the 17 lbs. of fuel gives a dry wt. of 236.
If you had bark busters, skid plate, and heavy duty tubes there's a few more lbs. Heavier than the competition, but not by much.

I always thought "dry weight" meant no liquids. Water in the radiators, oil in the transmission, fluid in the forks, shock, clutch, and brake lines will easily add up to 10-12 pounds. Fueled up with all fluids stock gassers (without e-start) were just under 250 pounds in model years 2007-2011. That's under 225 pounds "dry weight" which is almost exactly what the factory claimed. Earlier years like my 2001 gasser were 5-7 pounds heavier (half that extra weight was in the wheels alone).

[Hawkeye]

Water in the radiators, oil in the transmission, fluid in the forks, shock, clutch, and brake lines will easily add up to 10-12 pounds.

No they don't. Assuming 7 lbs for a gallon of all these fluids, your theory means that there is around 1.5 gallons in all those fluids total. There just isn't.

I always thought dry weight meant no fuel. If the process is performed by the manufacturer, then that number is sent to the marketing department where they apply a correction factor to produce an impressive looking number for the brochures.