80 to 1 oil

[capehorn23]

Is any one using amsoil saber at 80 to 1 besides Slaven Racing.

[gassergrant]

I personally wouldn't 50:1 all the way

[Tigger52]

I'm using Putoline MX5 at 80:1 - four events so far and all's good.

[Todd5774]

Motul 710 at 65-1 can't bring myself to go to 80-1, plug is a perfect colour and bike pulls very strong with only a small amount of 'smoke' out the exhaust.

[motopsycho87]

If you trust your jetting is absolutely spot on, 50:1. If you have even the slightest bit of doubt, or ride the hell out of your bike 32:1. Less oil is not cool, my bike is jetted spot on and just done a fresh rebuild. I am running 25:1 mineral oil for run in and get barely any smoke.

[cbutler]

Originally Posted by capehorn23

Is any one using amsoil saber at 80 to 1 besides Slaven Racing.

Yep cant tell a difference except I have more money for tires now

[houndog]

I can't understand the logic. GG says 50:1 with fully synthetic oil. 40:1 with semi synthetic. Why in the world would one deviate from that, in the wrong direction? There have been numerous studies over the decades that show more oil, properly jetted, makes more power.

Now, I do not race but I do ride on the street as well as the trails. I might drive 22 miles to my buddies house at pretty much WFO and I reckon that is not exactly easy on it.

My GG has 10,075 miles or so.....I replaced the ORings once because I thought it might be leaking. Turns out it was not, I do not think.

She starts in 1-3 kicks every time, has never fouled a plug even when being bogged for miles in stupid tight woods. She does smoke, duh, it's a 2-stroke and I'd be very worried if she didn't but I have no "spooge" to speak of....end of pipe is dry.

The engine feels as tight as new, I have replaced nothing. My shock needs rebuilding.

What do I attribute the long life to? The same thing that allowed every 2-stoke I have ever owned to rack up the same sort of numbers.........
Synthetic oil at between 20:1 and 28:1.......currently I use Dominator but have run gallons of Mercury PWC Syn., as well as RedLine. All at 28:1 for the GG

Too much oil will only, maybe, foul a plug (I never do)......too little and the money saved for tires will be spent on a rebuild

I'd be curious to know if anyone using those lean ratios has had an engine go 10k miles (not KM!).

I assure you my engine is not tired! She pretty much embarrasses my buddy's Husky 390 and 500 in a drag race (I only weigh 135-140) and in the woods it's no contest, but some of that may be me I will state that me and James May do have one thing in common...we are both "Captain Slow". I could not hang with most of you on my best day......but I might go by you when your engine seizes

Just my 69 cents worth!

Ed
ps**** I'd like to personally thank Jakobi for all his time and effort he puts forth to help folks on this forum. You're a good guy, Jakobi, always helpful. I'm amazed at your knowledge.

[gasser]

Originally Posted by houndog

I can't understand the logic. GG says 50:1 with fully synthetic oil. 40:1 with semi synthetic. Why in the world would one deviate from that, in the wrong direction? There have been numerous studies over the decades that show more oil, properly jetted, makes more power.
My GG has 10,075 miles or so.....

I'd be curious to know if anyone using those lean ratios has had an engine go 10k miles (not KM!).


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I have been running Amsoil Saber at 75/1 for years now without any problems. That saves me about $100 a year. I did put roughly 10,000 miles on my last gasser and it held up very well. I rebuild my top end every 150 -200 hours but that's for peace of mind not because it needs it. I would rebuild it just as often if I ran my oil mix at 28/1.

[houndog]

Hey Gasser, if you are doing the top end that often then you certainly have not put 10K miles on it in the context of the question!

I should have been clear, is there a single person out there who has used those lean ratios and put >10K miles on their engine without touching it?

I am quite certain the answer to this will be "no"......excuses like "preventative maintenance" do not count!

When I did the ORings there was still crosshatch and no slop at all. I guess I could have wasted money a long time ago with a top end rebuild, but again I do not race. If I did any racing except motocross I'd not touch it until it needed it. I reckon it had about 6K on it when I did the ORings.

At 10k miles, there are no indications whatsoever that I should mess with it.

Gasser, do understand, I certainly respect your opinion, I've seen your posts too , like Jakobi, I know you are knowledgeable.......

How many "approximate miles" do you suppose 150 hours is? Not a trick question! I just have never kept track of time since I have an odometer.

Ed

[SS109]

I agree with houndog. I would rather spend more on oil than do top ends more frequently. I ride and race my bikes hard here in the AZ desert. High heat and running from wide open down to a crawl hopping rocks. 32:1 has proven to keep the top ends in great shape on my Kawasakis and now my GG. I'm also a big believer in the lubricating properties of castor, but I like the cleaner burning of modern synthetics, so I compromise with a semi-synthetic (Castor 927).