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Enduro Suspension Tuning & maintenance of Enduro forks, shocks, etc |
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To much mid speed damping SHIVER 45
Today I can test my new stack in race conditions.
(but the rebound is still to soft) over trunks it feels good - the high speed damping is OK In sandcorners the front don't buckle - low speed is OK But over short and many little brake and acceleration bumbs it feels toooooo hard and stiff I think the mid speed damping is to stiff How can I solve this problem? here are the specs Rebound spring 15x0,2 15x0,3 15x0,3 22x0,3 11x0,2 piston 21 x 0,1 21 x 0,1 19 x 0,1 19 x 0,1 18 x 0,1 17 x 0,1 15 x 0,1 Base 22x0,3 Piston 22 x 0,1 22 x 0,1 22 x 0,1 11 x 0,2 may be a thicker crossover? 19 x 0,1 1.affect these 2 shims the midvalve or is this a more complex problem 17 x 0,1 2. 11 x 0,1 may be a thicker crossover? 15 x 0,15 14 x 0,15 13 x 0,20 12 x 0,20 11 x 0,20 135mm air 3mm preload 4,5N/mm spring SAE 5W/10W MIX 1:1 Motul Expert
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Husqvarna TE 300 Last edited by Klausen; 04-18-2010 at 11:53 PM. |
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As far as thicker crossovers go, you will delay the onset of the next damping stage, but the stiffness will be unchanged.
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Over short and many little brake and acceleration bumbs it feels to hard or harsh the front feels unstable and jumps to much over the bumps. I read that less rebound solve this probs but my rebound is to soft. Also I read that the Shiver 45 have an issue where too little rebound feels like too much compression. My be is this the problem. When I jump a table to short and land on the top the same. When ride very fast a rutty dirt road the handle bar is weaving (I read this can cause to stiff springs but I think the 4,5 N/mm are OK for me with 85kg without wear)
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This fork needs a lot more rebound. I rode yesterday with even more rebound than my previous setup, it was fantastic, as was the shock that LTR serviced and tweaked. The fork stays down in the corners a lot better, is controlled, and does not pack. I'm riding rocks and if packing was a problem I would experience it. This fork was always good but now its just awesome. Have you noticed your rebound clickers have little effect? Thats from the free bleed in the piston and bleed shim setup. Get rid of most of this and things will get a lot better. |
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actual stack Marzocchi 2006 21 x 0,1 21 x 0,1 19 x 0,1 19 x 0,1 18 x 0,1 17 x 0,1 15 x 0,1 I use Motul expert Oil 5W /10W mixed 1:1 (26,9 reported cst@40C° [centistokes]) (for your info genuine Marzocchi original 7,5 W (26,10 reported cst@40C° [centistokes])) air 135mm preload 3mm 4,5 N/mm springs today I change the rebound stack again. the biggest change was the bleed shim from 21x0,1 to 22x0,1 22 x 0,1 21 x 0,1 19 x 0,1 19 x 0,1 17 x 0,1 17 x 0,1 15 x 0,1 Motul expert Oil 5W /10W mixed 1:1 air 125mm preload 5mm 4,5 N/mm springs Now I feel something when I turn the screw. The feeling on the track was really better. But I don't know exactly why ,because I change also the Basevalve and the Midvalve. Quote:
How are your stacks changed?
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Well you have fixed the worst part by going to a 22mm face shim. There is a bleed hole in the piston as well but I left that alone. My stack is similar, but I added a 13mm clamp to stiffen the whole thing and I like it a lot. I'm running .44kg/mm springs with very little preload (1 - 2 mm), B rider in rocky terrain.
22x.01 22x.01 19x.01 19x.01 18x.01 17x.01 15x.01 13x.01 |
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I think very importend is also the oil viscosity. Which brand and weight you use. Do you also change te Mid valve and Base Stack? How?
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My understanding of the mid-valve's function is it acts more like a drag chute...to slow the fork's speed at higher velocities.
That would come more into play on bigger hits, like jumps and G-outs. However, it does somewhat come into play on small rough stuff, but only slightly. That's why in most cases the float is not set more than 1mm to 1.5mm, other wise the fork would blow thru the stroke too quickly, unless that's compensated for at the BV...as done in the Race Tech kits. Then there's the Smart Taco kit that uses a adjustable preloaded mid-valve set up...that adds a whole other adjustment to the fork's action. I set the float at 1mm but I used a .010 thickness face shim for a little added H/S shim deflection. I want the MV to open quickly and also be able to handle the larger square root and rock ledges, but I don't want the fork to blow too far into the stroke. If I wanted the fork more compliant in the small rough sections I would soften the high speed portion of the BV I am also working on tightening up the H/S rebound. |
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Leave the bleed hole and adjust the stack. At higher piston speeds the hole is out of the equation anyway, and its the initial quick return after a deep compression that feels like a compression issue. I run Spectro 125/150 which is around 7 -7.5W but to be accurate you need to compare viscosity index not advertised weights.
The stock MV is just a high float check plate setup with 3 .3mm plates. For an MV setup you should use a .15 face shim, as the .10s get hammered fast. If your playing with midvalves remember that the amount of available deflection is important to eliminate harshness, as all the oil in the cartridge that does not flow through the base valve (amount displaced by the damper rod) must flow through the midvalve. Also, the more deflection the more intensive the maintanence, as in moto9s setup. WPs are particularly bad, I have seen a friends loose all rebound control during a ride, and later found totally destroyed MV face shims the cause. My base valve stack is setup for rocks with light HS compression. LTR does my stuff so I will not post any specifics. I just play with the rebound and MV some to learn. |
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I only want to know what I can change with that hole. And how. Quote:
genuine Marzocchi original 7,5 W (26,10 reported cst@40C° [centistokes]) I don't find yours in the table. http://www.gasgasrider.org/forum/sho...?t=7087&page=2 IMHO I think when we discuss about stacks the oil viscosity is very importend. Thanks for you explanation. Later I will understand it may be.
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