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Old 09-02-2018, 04:20 AM
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Default Vent Pipes - Keihin PWK38

I have a 2004 EC300, the vent pipes on my Keihin PWK38 carb had gone hard and brown, so I decided to replace them.

I had a hunt around trying to find suitable size pipe that's oil/petrol resistant, but gave up in the end.

I purchased this kit on eBay. The seller is 'Frank MX Parts' based in Holland and I understand he is an official Keihin dealer, so I assume this is a genuine Keihin kit.

Kit also includes the five clips, price was reasonable and delivery was quick.

Vent hose kit Keihin PWK quad vent carburetor / OEM pink breather 35 36 38 39 41
https://ebay.us/FImg8Q

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He also has a website that you can order from directly and offers worldwide shipping.

Frank! MXParts
https://www.frankmxparts.com/

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If anyone's interested here's the information from the Vent Pipes...

The 4 vent pipes are marked as PLAS TECH VT3 18B

The smaller diameter pipe for the fuel overflow is marked PLAS TECH VT3 18A

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Old 09-02-2018, 11:18 AM
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I would separate the tubes and run the lower ones down in the stock area by the shock and the upper carb vents go into the air box. This prevents you from sucking garbage into the carb
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Hi Zman

I would strongly advise against running vent lines into the airbox.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I understand it...

The purpose of the vent lines is to keep the float bowl at atmospheric pressure, ensuring that fuel in the float bowl is drawn up through the jets correctly, relieving air as fuel flows into the float bowl. Air or dirt shouldn't flow from the vent lines into the float bowl, no dirt should be sucked in.

With vent lines running into the airbox, if the bike is laid on it's side, when we crash or fall off (about every time I ride!) there is a risk of fuel running into the airbox, obviously not what you want due to the fire hazard.

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I've seen filter systems you run your vent tubes into , cant remember were..
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Hi Zman

I would strongly advise against running vent lines into the airbox.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I understand it...

The purpose of the vent lines is to keep the float bowl at atmospheric pressure, ensuring that fuel in the float bowl is drawn up through the jets correctly, relieving air as fuel flows into the float bowl. Air or dirt shouldn't flow from the vent lines into the float bowl, no dirt should be sucked in.

With vent lines running into the airbox, if the bike is laid on it's side, when we crash or fall off (about every time I ride!) there is a risk of fuel running into the airbox, obviously not what you want due to the fire hazard.

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Warm crankcase + cold water=vacuum. Crankcase breather can suck water into tranny creating a milkshake. Same with carb breathers. Only need to do 1 but I usually do top 2 on carb. Draws water into carb snuffing motor. No breather means all sucking drawing up through carb vents. Mate's 17 TE250 did it last ride. I scolded him about it!

Just run the breathers long enough to loop back downwards(face them downwards). I zip tie mine to subframe rails generally. Just keep them below air filter height so fuel won't leak onto it when bike is sleeping upside down.
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I've seen filter systems you run your vent tubes into , cant remember were..
Motosportz & Ballards used to sell them.
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I run them up to the entry at top of airbox Right front. Have done for years now drama. If the bike is upside-down fuel will Piss through the needle jet anyway. Lid is of course open to atmosphere.
Big slot in the bottom for water to run out. Or if the bike is upside-down it will run out the top of the air box.
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With the lower vent hoses going down and the top vent hoses going up into the air box it provides an air break to prevent sucking in water. Yes these tubes do equalize internal carb air pressure, but to do this air flows in and out. Engines are very dynamic things especially when you toss in the fact that they live inside a very active environment of a dirt bike.

The bike has to be near upside down to leak fuel out of the top vent hoses. As was pointed out it will drain fuel out of the needle jet when this happens so there is not much more of a hazard.

https://slavensracing.com/shop/carbu...ilter-by-7602/
Uptite-Racing had them several years ago too. 111 W Dyer Rd Ste B,
Santa Ana, California 92707 Phone (714) 540-2920
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I've seen filter systems you run your vent tubes into , cant remember were..
I've got a PC Racing vent system on my bike. I can't remember exactly how it all goes together but I think that you use the supplied T pieces so that you end up with 2 separate pairs of vent hoses connected together with 2 more vent hoses then running from the T pieces up into the air box and into a plastic piece with a filter. It's supposed to prevent bogging when landing from jumps and also flooding.

http://www.pcracingusa.com/Carb-Vent_p_84.html
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