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My starter worked previously. 2019 xc300. Bought bike with 20 hours. Shortly thereafter it starter have the binding symptoms and being dumb I kept stabbing the button and blew the starter motor. Replaced with OEM unit and had 20 hours of trouble free riding. It started binding again so I bought a new motor, took everything apart to clean and grease, reinstalled with new motor and had 0 improvement. So I bought new gears, bearings, and AS3 cover. Which bring me to today. |
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Try this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goO4VHemPbY And this diagram: https://store.schnitzracing.com/24-v...iring-diagram/ It's actually very simple. FYI without adding additional relays, you will have to charge the second battery externally (after each ride or two) because it won't be charged automatically - but your bike is likely to start well, if not instantly. There are instances where the extra voltage is hard on the EC start switch, and requires replacement. The XC models' start switch is more robust. Some argue that the extra voltage is hard on the starter. Others argue that it is easier on the starter - better than making the engine turn over multiple times without actually starting (grind or bind). So while I am advocating this as an option, I cannot speak to its reliability. KTM guys have done it for years - but I don't want to be the cause of having your new starter burn out either; they are expensive and I have limited personal experience! Jeff
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Where did your new starter motor come from? I am convinced that they are not all equal. The best one is from Rieju. They have a new manufacturer, I believe - Mitsuba (thanks Doc) - and perform better than the last round of GasGas starters and better than the cheap alternatives. They cost $220 though! Jeff
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'18 GG XC 300 '05 GG DE 300 '01 GG txt 321 Last edited by farmerj; 10-31-2020 at 12:46 AM. |
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You guys are "nailing it" over on the Thumpertalk GG starter thread! Awesome work!
A couple of comments in addition to what I have written above: (1) A 24V starting system is not an ideal fix, it is an option that overpowers the binding. Better to fix the underlying binding issues if you can. But if you can't, it's better to have a bike that starts than one that doesn't and may be worth a try (2) My dealer installed a new Rieju starter in my bike recently and I could not believe it - the bike starts instantly! (At least, it did for a day and a half of riding until my battery went dead from a lighting system draw). This is after three "less expensive" starters. I have had them apart, and the OEM starters have a needle bearing on the drive end end of the armature shaft. The cheaper ones use a bronze bushing. So there are some quality differences. My take - if you can get the Starter drive system sorted so that there is no binding, the less expensive starters may work (good news on TT) and would be the way to go! If things aren't perfect, in my experience (& that of my dealer) the OEM starter is stronger. However, it is also possible that some other factor is at work. The only thing that was changed on my bike was the starter. And I have had less expensive starters that would grind into a piece of wood and appeared to have power, but wouldn't turn over my bike. It is possible that upon starter assembly the force of insertion changes something in the position of drive gear #20 for better or worse. It could be that this most recent "success" was due to that...but I think it was the starter itself. I intend to fit a new Rieju bendix cover to increase the longevity of the system. fwiw, Jeff
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Very interesting. Have you confirmed the 12 cell fits. I see it?s dimensions are slightly larger.
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No I have not confirmed that. I do believe it's all about the cranking amps not the volts. My bike starts like the bike in the video with the 8 cell battery. It smaller in size than the stock battery but has 2 times the cranking amps. It also cold starts the bike at 0 degrees C or 32 degree F for you guys down south. Not instantly like in the video, but decent enough for that temp. Then once it runs for minute, it will fire as soon as you touch the button.
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