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Enduro Engine 4 stroke (including EFI & Exhaust) 4 stroke engine, EFI, and exhaust discussion


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Old 05-08-2018, 12:19 AM
Tafka Tafka is offline
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What was your CO trim before?
Mostly disconnecting the wire helps most users, so maybe try setting the CO trim back to original and try again?


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Old 05-09-2018, 07:21 AM
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What was your CO trim before?
Mostly disconnecting the wire helps most users, so maybe try setting the CO trim back to original and try again?
I think it was factory default - 22. And think, I will try different CO trim numbers, just to find a perfect balance
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Old 05-10-2018, 12:36 AM
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I had also originally 22. Going from 22 to 45....that can mess up the fuel mixture pretty good....i would go back to 22 and try from there +/-5 can make good change also (when the yellow/blue wire is disconnected)
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Old 07-02-2018, 06:41 AM
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I had also originally 22. Going from 22 to 45....that can mess up the fuel mixture pretty good....i would go back to 22 and try from there +/-5 can make good change also (when the yellow/blue wire is disconnected)
Hilow,

I have made 28, and have disconnected yellow/blue wire. No misfire since I did so. And if I cannot start the bike from the first time, I turn off/on ignition for the second time, then fully open throttle, later close it and then I push starter button - bike starts every time I do so. A bit annoying, but still, I can start the bike It seems strange to me...it totaly depends on the bike's mood - sometimes it starts from the first time when cold, sometimes not, sometimes it starts from the first time, when hot, sometimes not. But with the procedure I've described before, it starts all the time
Also, I've noticed, that after modification of TRIM and disconnection of yellow/blue wire, the exhaust pipe is red less even in the dark garage, and it has only a bit red color right near the cylinder.
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:43 AM
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Hilow,

I have made 28, and have disconnected yellow/blue wire. No misfire since I did so. And if I cannot start the bike from the first time, I turn off/on ignition for the second time, then fully open throttle, later close it and then I push starter button - bike starts every time I do so. A bit annoying, but still, I can start the bike It seems strange to me...it totaly depends on the bike's mood - sometimes it starts from the first time when cold, sometimes not, sometimes it starts from the first time, when hot, sometimes not. But with the procedure I've described before, it starts all the time
Also, I've noticed, that after modification of TRIM and disconnection of yellow/blue wire, the exhaust pipe is red less even in the dark garage, and it has only a bit red color right near the cylinder.
Hello, what cind of yellow/blue wires are you talking about?
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:35 AM
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You should take of the gas tank from the bike and you will see ECU (computer) fitted onto the tank. You will see two wires - one is black and connected to one screw, holding the ECU. The other one, somewhere near the mentioned black wire (black wire and blue/yellow wire are somehow together), is blue/yellow color connected with the water resistant connection to another wire having the same colors blue/yellow. If the said blue/yellow wire is disconnected, the mixture of fuel gets more rich - I can feel it when riding, also, no back fires during riding, when throttle is closed quickly (downshifting for example). However, disconnection did not solve starting issues, also, it increased fuel consumption, but I have more fun riding with this wire disconnected. So, what I've done in order to start the bike easier (theses steps did not help yet..):
1. Changed spark plug to the new Denso iridium (previously it was NGK iridium, no difference).
2. Secured connection of fuel pump relay.
3. Secured connection of the may connector to the ECU.
4. Did the valve clearance check. Strange, but after having 7 000 km, clearance was ok, no need to adjust.
5. Fitted new lithium battery with 130 CCA.

Update on 10/18/2018 - receipt for cold starting of my bike: open throttle very slightly (~ 1mm) before starting and hit starter button. Fires right away!!!!

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Old 12-16-2019, 02:29 PM
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Question FSE 450 EC 2003 - similar problems

Hello!
First, sorry for my grammar, I'm not very good at technical English.

My friend bodliCZ recently bought a used GG EC 450 FSE 2003 and we have problems getting it to running state.

Previous owner changed:
1. the stator
2. the rotor
3. the rectifier/regulator
4. the starter "special bearings" We have all the old parts available.

We changed:
1. the battery for new
2. The spark plug
3. We tried different spark plug
4. We measured whole cabling and replaced some faulty/dodgy wires. The issues are still the same.

We rode it a bit, but there were these issues:
1. Starting the beast cold and hot is a pain (when HOT its close to impossible) We tried the different techniques described in this thread and few others on different forums. So far the best technique seems to be 1. The ignition ON, wait for the pump to stop, 2. Throttle wide open, let it vent 5-10sec, 3. throttle close and open just a tiny bit (0,5-1mm) 3. Start. Then it usually starts.

2. We think it does not give enough electricity to recharge (i don't know what the term is for this) At high rev it gives only something around 13,4V My brother thinks it should be more as it is higher on other similar 4stroke bikes

3. We do not have a spare/new Ignition coil we could test (our shops around Czech Republic cannot get it even from Spain, they say ) The ignition coil+the cable+the spark plug cap is one piece. Do you guys know if it can be replaced for another model/year/bike brand (like the DRZ400 ?)

4. We do not have access to any DIAG

So, can you guys advise:
1. Any thing to check for the hot starts problems?
2. We don't know how much voltage it should give at idle or higher revs. Do you know?
3. Do you know if there is any suitable spare/replacement ignition coil?
4. Does anyone know what should be the resistance for the spark plug cap? And what should be the measurements for the ignition coil?
5. Also you did mention the TPS sensor. Where could we find this?
6. Can you advise what OBD connector/cable we could use and what DIAG ? I've read something about Guzzidiag
7. We would like to test the injector too. Any idea/tip of how to do that? What are the good and the bad conditions?

Any pictures, schema, workshop manual links in any language would be greatly appreciated!
For bodliCZ we thank you!


EDIT: I've found the Guzzidiag web page, also the links to the cables, we are about to buy this and then see...
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Old 04-12-2022, 10:11 AM
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Have you ridden the bike "good"....i mean, little bit more gas than idle
The plug gets black pretty easy when riding at idle speeds.
If you have used the throttle more then i would start checking other things...seems like running too rich.
TPS could be the issue BUT the injector can be also the problem!
I think my problem was caused by two things....worn/dirty TPS and injector.
Hello, good, I'm new here but with old problems my name is victor and I'm from Girona I have a 2006 fse and it's giving me a bag I had a 2006 map and from one day to the next it didn't want to go anymore I opened the engine I put piston rings and everything his and nothing managed to go wrong but well I did not change 4 tps I have put as they say from zero to 290 reset and it drops to 4.74 and 63 in the 2 maps and with the 4 tps I have changed the map I have mounted the 2007 and exactly the same to 2006 it does the same to me any idea?



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