off-road license required in Oregon now?? even for out-of -staters

[skid jackson]

NH has had an ohrv course for probably 20 yrs now ...
anyone under I believe 18 .... maybe 16 is required to take it. out on the trail the fish game will ask to see the kids "paper work" If jr doesn't have it he gets a ticket. probably 50 or 60 bucks. It is an actual course that you have to do on a weekend. I think it might take all day ... its at least 4 hours. If the kid has done the course and he is over something like 12 he can ride without adult supervision. Its not just required if you are on state land .. its required if you are on anyone land. Its not a bad deal really ... considering the number of parents who have no ohrv experience that buy dirtbikes, mostly quads for their kids .... somebody has to teach them the basics ..... a lot of snowmobile clubs and quad and dirtbike clubs support it. Most of the instructors come from the clubs. Not to sound like some east coast liberal ... I'm not ...after seeing the number of idiots running around out there I don't think I would be bothered by the state requiring adults to take the msf course! Might thin the ranks ... someone who knows they will have to take a day course and pay for it .... might just stay home!! Thats ok ...less yahoos in the woods and more trail for me!!

[GMP]

I agree with roostafish. By the time this socialist madman in the white house and his friends are done who knows what will be left. Everyone needs to stick together or the only people who will legally be able to use the land are the sierra clubbers. Remember in November.

You guys are very lucky. We have NOTHING legal in NJ except a few enduros. ALL of our trail riding is special ops stuff!

[roostafish]

No legal riding in NJ? That sucks. I'm in for special ops, but wow. I realize the entire state of NJ is half the size of the county I live in here in Oregon, but you'd think there would be some legal riding. I'd say when Texas seceeds from the Union you might want to consider checking them out. I am ready on more counts than just waning riding rights.

[GMP]

I'd say when Texas seceeds from the Union you might want to consider checking them out. I am ready on more counts than just waning riding rights.

Funny you should say that, I told Boomhauer and Dr. Mark Sanders that was my plan when I was in Houston for surgery. Everyone I met there were great peolple.

Yeah, NJ is the ahole of the country. Fortunatly I live in the oasis of a rugged less populated area. We do have some good enduros, but they are all in the southern pinelands area. There was a long running rock run enduro (over 30 years) in a nearby state forest that was denied future permits when Dem governer Corzine put the issue under the jurisdiction of the EPA.

I for one would have no problem getting a license or permit to ride the state forests here if it were possible. Some of the trails are so technical that they naturally keep the quads out, and you can't do much damage to rock either. By far the most trail damage I've seen has been done by hunter's 4x4 trucks, a bike with a trials tire is a non-issue.

[roostafish]

I was amazed at the speed that can be carried through the narrow trees over roots and rocks with no dirt in sight by you Eastern riders. I was also shocked at how narrow everybody's bars were cut too.
I thought we had tight, technical riding here. Our tight trails involve tight turns, and weaving trees, but we certainly don't need 28 inch bars!

[skid jackson]

it works both ways ....
lots of guys who are fast in the tight nasty 2nd and 3rd gear stuff
start having second thoughts when they can snick it into 4th or 5th and go wfo in the trees. Its all about what you are used to. I like the technical stuff, it makes it look like I know what I'm doing and I don't have to worry about going really really fast!!

[cbutler]

Plus it really really HURTS when you are going really really fast

[GMP]

Our series (ECEA) consists of very diverse terrain, from sub bar width trees for miles, fast whooped out fire cuts, to brutal rock runs with big hills. Its a great series and has produced some really fast riders. It also makes bike setup a bit more complicated. For example, I set my bike up for rocks as I ride that terrain most. Now I go to a south NJ enduro with deep sand whoops and have to slow down because I'm using up all my suspension. I don't run 28" bars, I hate that. I'm at 31" and its fine with the right technique (which I'll always be working on). Years ago the super narrow bars were the rage, now it seems everyone is back to more reasonable width bars. When you see the fast AAs that grew up here like Lafferty and Hoess rip through those trees its mind boggling.