'09 GasGas EC515 vs '09 Husaberg 570 - ANYBODY???

[jeffd]

Two recent bike "innovations" puzzle me - okay, I'll be honest, i think they are dumb and pure fad.

Raising the crank location on the new husaberg motor is not a good thing - it will make the bike feel heavier side to side due to increased gyro effect.

The new BMW G450 - placing the countersprocket at the pivot point for the rear swingarm means less "bite" when accellerating - the rear end doesn't squat under accelleration. This has been tried before and abandoned due to poor behavior...

jeff

[ferguscawley]

I have ridden the 2009 515 in Supermoto format. It rips. I am 6'1" and weigh 215. Bike is plenty big with lots of room to move about. The SM will wheelie off the throttle in 4th all day long
Brakes are stonking.

See here for pics of the SM

http://www.bikebuyersguide.ie/Bikede...SM&frmFilter=#

[ScottyR]

Originally Posted by jeffd

Two recent bike "innovations" puzzle me - okay, I'll be honest, i think they are dumb and pure fad.

Raising the crank location on the new husaberg motor is not a good thing - it will make the bike feel heavier side to side due to increased gyro effect.

The new BMW G450 - placing the countersprocket at the pivot point for the rear swingarm means less "bite" when accellerating - the rear end doesn't squat under accelleration. This has been tried before and abandoned due to poor behavior...

jeff

I hate to argue, but the FE450 is the "lightest feeling" 4T I have ever ridden. You really notice this when you flick the bike side to side. It is unbelieveable! You can flick it around like a 250F. Husaberg is onto something with this engine design.

I hate to sound like I have been drinking too much of the kool-aid but the 09 FE450 is simply the best 450 woods bike money can buy today.

[HydroDog]

The new BMW G450 - placing the countersprocket at the pivot point for the rear swingarm means less "bite" when accellerating - the rear end doesn't squat under accelleration. This has been tried before and abandoned due to poor behavior...

jeff[/QUOTE]

Just curious, who tried this before?

[fury1]

pretty sure atk tried it....

[GMP]

The big Husky 4-strokes need more flywheel, IMO. I have a lot of seat time on an '05 TE450, well set up, and the cough and die at grunt speeds is common. Otherwise its an animal.

[eff]

Originally Posted by ScottyR

I hate to argue, but the FE450 is the "lightest feeling" 4T I have ever ridden. You really notice this when you flick the bike side to side. It is unbelieveable! You can flick it around like a 250F. Husaberg is onto something with this engine design.

I hate to sound like I have been drinking too much of the kool-aid but the 09 FE450 is simply the best 450 woods bike money can buy today.

From what I read that was their goal. The guys at Trail Rider really loved it.

[GMP]

Jeff's point about the 'Berg crank is the first thing I thought as well. Then I thought there must be something more to this when you do the math though, these guys can't be that stupid. Don't just consider the crankshaft's height, perhaps the fact that the rotational forces are moved to the rear more than offsets the crank being higher. Look at modern I4 sportbikes, with the trans and clutch stacked high over the crank to allow the engine to be moved back. When all the numbers are crunched, the end result must be a positive one, as riding the bike has proven it seems. I'd be more interested in seeing how things work out as far as reliability, like the plastic subframe, and the motor after a lot of hours running in that position (oiling system). I like the bike's concept, better than the BMW, but of course I'd have to ride them before commenting. What does the bike weigh? I wonder if the 350 will be built on a smaller platform, rather than sleeved down?

[ScottyR]

I assume that the 2010 FE390 will be the same motor with a 400XCW top end grafted on, just like the 2009 FE450 has a 450XCW top end.

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by HydroDog

The new BMW G450 - placing the countersprocket at the pivot point for the rear swingarm means less "bite" when accellerating - the rear end doesn't squat under accelleration. This has been tried before and abandoned due to poor behavior...

jeff

Just curious, who tried this before?[/quote]

I had a friend who built custom built bikes & his own frames...

jeff